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[psyte (#77614)]

 Onegai twins vs. Onegai teacher *possible spoilers*

[ToxoT (#82125)]

I agreed, I think the biggest reason why onegai twins is being put down is because a lot of viewer came watching it while expecting it to have the same kind of story line as onegai teacher. Personally I like Onegai twins a lot better and it's not that I don't like onegai teacher.

OTeacher is based on strong bond of love between one couple while OTwins is based on a mixture of sibling and lover's love. To me, the plot in Otwins is more realistic and much easier to connect to. It's actually weird since the audience in Japan absolutely love the Otwins while we the foreigner hate it . But anyways it's their taste but Otwins is in my Number 1 love anime right now, and it'll probably stay there for a long time...since I had watched a lot of anime already, it'll be pretty hard to find one that'll be able to take over it

[Thalan (#44961)]

[charn (#40191)]

Oh .. LOL, no , Onegai twins is NOT realistic ! OK .. I like Twins more than teacher too ! But Twins is definitely stupider than Teacher ..

Reason followed ..

1. Karen is a very vapid character. She is so dumb that she is not even one dimensional .. to me she is about half dimensional.

2. The characters from Teacher when they make appearances in Twins simply have lesser IQs than they had in Teacher.

3. Do you think that stupid "Love Alliance" that those two girls made is REALISTIC ? An Alliance in which if one is Maiku's sister, she will be able to stop loving him immediately just like one switches the light ON and OFF ? Life does not work that way dude !

4. There is NO love in Onegai Twins. Just INFATUATION. And stupid infatuation too. OK, there might be RESPECT from Mina and karen toward Maiku. Karen grew to respect Maiku in Ep 3 when Maiku told her that karen's stepfather called and said he is having a financial difficulty that karen needs to let Maiku take care of her (yeah, that scene in which Karen ended up crying on his lap and Mina and that sempai <whom I can't remember her name> thought that Karen was sucking Maiku's dick) .. BUT that IS ALSO NOT realistic. If you raise a child .. even you suffer from financial difficulty .. would you ABANDON her and tell her to go to ask someone whom you don't personally know to raise her instead of you ? No, nobody would ! If i suffer the same situation, I might ask someone whom I know that i can trust to look after karen .. but not Maiku whom I have no idea what kind of person he is ! What if maiku is a sex maniac ? What if he is a sex sadist ? Then karen will be chained and fucked and tortured with whips and candles .. Can u stand that ?

Now .. let's talk about Mina. Oh no, she doesn't even respect Maiku. She just get infatuated with him in Episode 1 when he dropped his towel and she saw his dick. And that's it ! Oh no .. there is NO REALISTIC development of love relationship between Maiku VS Mina or Maiku VS Karen anywhere in the series ! And the time they kissed each other is because Mina & Karen suspect that Maiku is a fag in Ep 5 .. and they wanted to 'test' him whether he is a fag or not.

5. If a girl slaps you and call you a pervert just because you touch her tits, would you feel discouraged and stop loving girl and turn to become a gay like Shimazaki ? I sure as hell WOULD NOT ..

6. That Love Alliance thing is utterly unrealistic .. In Ep 9 Mina confessed to Karen "I kissed Maiku .. by the condition of Love Alliance I have to let you know" .. ugh .. cut out the bullcrap ! Fucking hell, had I been Mina I won't give a shit about stealing a kiss from Maiku .. oh and of course I won't tell Karen about it. But then she did. And .... look at Karen's attitude when she heard Mina saying that .. "Oh, I forgive you." -- Bah.. Realistic ? No No No NOOOOO !

There are million more examples .. but I am too lazy to think.

NO, Onegai Twins is neither realistic nor romantic.
There is NO substance in Onegai Twins.
But there is also NO substance and realism in Onegai Teacher either. BUT it is looked pass and forgiven, because Onegai Teacher IS NOT MEANT TO BE REALISTIC. (I mean, alien love VS human is obviously not realistic, are they ?) But Onegai Twins is supposed to be REALISTIC, but it isn't .. (And the reasons are stated above .. there are many more, but I won't spend an hour typing this post unless you guys are interested in a debate .. in which of course, if you insist that this anime is realistic, you will lose, because it isn't) And that's why people say Onegai Twins is inferior to its predecessor ..

I like Onegai Twins because of its fluid plot, funny ecchi humor, and I like Maiku as a character. he is responsible, independent, and mature with his working attitude (but he is a moron in real life, but that's another story) BUT Onegai Twins is devoid of any realism or substance. This is just another fan service drivel harem which saturate the world of anime. But it is one of the better ones, not as shit as those brainless, worthless, disgusting, and unwatchable harem crud such as Futakoi, Happy Lesson, Maid In Hanaukyo Le Verite or Sister Princess .. For the love of god, if you wanna see well done, romantic, and realistic incest show, go watch Koi Kaze. Onegai Twins is NOT meant to be taken as a deep or thoughtful show ..

[Thalan (#44961)]

I see your point Charn an I agree with most of what you say. But don't you agree with me that it's more realistic (even though it's still unrealsitic) that the girls have their Love alliance than that a gorgeous woman comes from space and has a random thingy with her that can teleport her and others? (sorry for the long sentence)

Anyway the point for me was that I enjoyed Otwins than Oteacher

Gargh anyway this post doesn't make much sense does it?
I'm just to bad to discuss things.

[charn (#40191)]

[Thalan (#44961)]

I get it now Charn. Thanks for clearing some of my doubts

[Lady Rin (#62452)]

Neither one of them are realistic. Imagine one of my students falling in love with me and then getting married. And the twins. Kaorin is cute *mew* and Mina reminds me of Mu but realistic hardly.

However I do like both series and have yet to the the final vol of Twins.

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

You all know I'm a sucker for romance stories. But know this, I didn't like Onegai Sensei. The romance is just so idiotic. Kei is an idiot. And a wuss.

I actually found Onegai Twins to be a far better story. Sure I was not very comfortable with the incestous overtones in the story, but I just felt that it was a far better story than Onegai Sensei.

Score:

Onegai Twins 1 vs. Onegai Sensei 0

[Caddberry (#27690)]

Warning Issued: Ken Hayashi (#52012)
Reason: Liking Onegai Twins more than Onegai Teacher

Onegai Teacher.. That was WAY better than Onegai Twins.. Yeah, sure.. Kei was an idiot a total idiot.. But Twins just didnt hold a candle to Teacher. I didnt like the story line in Twins as much, perhaps because I was looking for Mizuho my favorite alien teacher..

I wrote a review on Teacher.. My opinions are there.. But still.. Twins is nothing compared to teacher..


Oh yeah.. Ken.. I'm joking about the warning.. LoL

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

[charn (#40191)]

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

[cranston (#84421)]

I just got to jump onto this bandwagon. I like OTwins more than OTeacher. Not that I think that one is more realistic than the other, they're both pretty far out there in my opinion. However, the clincher for me is that I hate wusses, whether they by Kei in OSensei, Kei in Love Hina, Motosuwa in Chobits, or whatever. Maiku, on the other hand, is one of the few strong male leads in a romance anime. Second, in my opinion, to Kaoru in Ai Yori Aoshi. Of course, I'm not including the likes of Kenshin and Ohgami in my comparisons.

The 'searching for a family' theme was very touching, and if the creators were just interested in the 'kinship' aspects, they would have just used Karen or Minna but not both. Instead, we have both these persons and they immediately assumed that only one of them is related to Maiku. (Why they did this I don't know. In the scene where they were comparing their 3 photographs, I was thinking to myself 'maybe all 3 of them are related and one of them was simply not in the picture'. Made me queasy for a while before I decided to play along with the story. ) So what we have now is, these two girls came looking for a family, and one of them is an outsider. Now, both of them like Maiku. Like, I say, not love. Love may eventually develope but this isn't one of those love at first sight storys. Anyone, the feelings develope but always looming over them is the sword of Damocles, who is related to whom? I'm sure that most people saw that it was gonna be one sister and one girlfriend by Ep3. The only question was which one? And that is what kept me tuned in through all 12 episodes.

Edit in response to Ken's post: No comment re Shiki. Haven't seen Tsukihime yet.

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

I've been walking by both sets of DVDs in the video store for a while, now, thining about which to pick up. It seems that there's a controversy over which is better. (DVD titles translated as "Please Teacher" and "Please Twins") I figured out how to find 'em here.

I guess I'll have to watch and form my own opinion, but then again, I always do. I was hoping to get some insight from this thread if there was one that I should watch first, if the sets were related, chronologically or otherwise.

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

[Caddberry (#27690)]

[Thomas(akaTammo) (#57694)]

Few observations on whole thread.

Cadd - that warning made me laugh... erk! I meant to say Cadd, that warning was mean!! *makes stern face*

Maiku wasn't strong male lead. He was indifferent. That's not STRONG.

Kei wasn't telling Mizuho to leave like You portrayed it Charn. he was very well aware on how that illness made You outcast in Your own world, and he wanted to give Morino sth to move forward. He did what a Japanese is supposed to do, it was Morino's request that was selfish, ans she later realized it.

Mizuho's love for Kei was due to compassion, enabling her to keep her secret, and his few good traits. Also, he caught her on pity (his illness). That's always effective with girls. They like to 'take care' of us. :-)

Twins failed with many more things. That Damocles sword that was supposed to hand on the whole case was so blatantly overused and reminded of constantly, just in case You forgot, by constantly repeated phrase: "We may be relatives! But, we may be strangers!"

Ahhh... that's... so deep!

Based on they eyes color, but their hair were not so important anymore, hmmm talk about consistency.

In Teacher we had sth in love portrayal that clicked for me, in Twins I was genuinely bored. I wouldn't like it even one iota more if they would opted for friendship of those three, and IMO that would really made it silly. I really can't see that Maiku sees a person claiming "I'm Your sister" and just like that sibling's love is born. Few minutes later another girl comes, magic words are said and another love blooms. Pfft.

I liked him being indifferent. But they dragged it way too far. At some point he should start caring for those two girls living with him, especially given his age and their... easy-going nature.

[cranston (#84421)]

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

There's blue eyes, then there's BLUE eyes. I met a girl once with the most amazing blue eyes, a colour that I'd only ever seen in animation before (or since, for that matter) I asked her out, on the spot. (She said yes, but it didn't last long, after all, it's not much to base a relationship on!) I did know that they weren't contact lenses, though.

For the red-orange hair,there was a girl whose hair was pretty damned close in my German class in high school. She kept bleaching it blonde, but it always grew out from the roots in a real carrot orange, if she left it too long between dye jobs, it wasn't pretty. I always figured that she should have let it grow out that colour, but she had real sensitivity issues around being called "carrot top."

The standard Anime light blue hair is one that I've never seen replicated, even deliberately. But it's a fantasy world, so we should be able to accept that in that world, light and dark blue, purple, orange, green as well as yellow, brown and black are all valid hair colours. Blue, violet, green and brown are all valid eye colours, and all girls wear white cotton panties under skirts that are just a bit too short.

Anyway, I got an answer. I'll watch it in the chronological order. I suppose the next few bucks at the video rental place is already laid out for me.

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

[Kainy (#22295)]

Watch Onegai Teacher, and you can learn a couple of things about being in a commited relationship. I'm not saying the plot is realistic, but you can learn things.

Watch Onegai Twins, and you can... get lots of fanservice. Woo. Yay.

Teacher (more in the background characters, actually) has some interesting character development. Twins has... uh... fanservice.

Not to say that Teacher was fanservice-less... not many animes are, sadly. It's just that Teacher had far more good points, in my mind, than Twins. More redeeming artistic content, I suppose..

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

Okay okay...

Well it probably wouldn't have mattered which order I was going to watch it in, Twins wasn't I went there.

So, I watched Teacher. All of it, now. (Just one more episode!)

It was sweet. I actually laughed out loud in spots, which for me is a very rare thing. It surprised me, anyway.

[Caddberry (#27690)]

[Arilou (#34809)]

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

I hate when this happens. I rented the first volumen, but the next 3 aren't in. They're supposed to be, but they aren't.

<mumble> <mutter> *inconsiderate renters* <mutter> <mutter>

[Rosepetals (#42525)]

*rolls on floor laughing* XD

I skimmed this thread only on the surface, that warning popped out to me and I just couldn't stop laughing...another highlight of my day today...though I haven't been in the best of moods

I loved Onegai Teacher....Twins....I have yet to watch....I'm not exactly thrilled about the fanservice element (that may be the detractor...but I'm going to brave it and see what the series has to offer....

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

[ddaedalus (#100614)]

I'd like it to put it this way. Onegai Twins had by far more potential then Onegai Sensei. Whereas Onegai Sensei was able to pull off a good story on a very whacky premise. Since I actually prefer potential over actual execution, I like Onegai Twins more.

Another point is Maiku.
First I myself am a programmer ( and was astonished by the accurancy they displayed the programming and the code to the point I was able to recognize actually *what* he was working on ).
Second, call it beeing strong or beeing indifferent, I don't care, but he definitly wasn't another harem wuss. To use some new hyped words, I am GAR for him / he is GAR

Just my 2c

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

Dead thread Revival. Wow.

Well, I suppose that it's okay, there was some content to that post...

I am also a programmer, and I remember too that I was able to read Maiku's code and figure out what he was working on. (Not that I can remember what it was, now.) I've found that knowing code has both helped and hindered my enjoyment of some series.

But to step back, I don't understand what you mean by "potential." Potential for what? There's a smaller principal cast in Twins which could offer a greater chance for character development, however that chance was squandered by bringing in more shallow incidental characters.

In romantic terms, Maiku was never put on the spot where he absolutely HAD to make a positive choice. His Sempai whatsherface never put him on the spot, and so he was only involved in a passive choice of "whichever one wasn't his sister" -- Very weak. Kei in Sensei was a wuss, but he did have to make a concious and definitive choice in turning down Koishi. Had Sempai whatsherface been a better developed character in her own right, been someone that Maiku saw as at least a friend, not just a senior at school, and had she told Maiku how she felt, that would have been better.

So, what potential are you referring to?

[ddaedalus (#100614)]

Ok, first things first. *I am very sorry that I am replaying this late.* In theory I should have got mail that you replied, but it kinda never got through. And since I don't have the time to look through all new posts, I didn't notice your reply until now, since I was busy studying for finals. Sorry

"In romantic terms, Maiku was never put on the spot where he absolutely HAD to make a positive choice. His Sempai whatsherface never put him on the spot, and so he was only involved in a passive choice of "whichever one wasn't his sister" -- Very weak."
Yes, your completely right. Considering the choices which Maiku had to make he was indeed weaker than Kei. Also Kei *did* take the initiative and moved forward with his relationship. But nevertheless Maiku _seemed_ stronger than Kei, maybe because he tackled his daily problems (not his romantic problems) less indecisive and seemed more mature (not considering his age, or outer appearance).

So, what potential are you referring to?
Actually, the potential thing didn't refer to Maiku. Simply put the base which Onegai Twins was build upon, had for more possibilities for a good plot.
As many posters above have already mentioned, some dialog changes here and some plot changes there would make Onegai Twins a that much stronger Anime, As you yourself put it "if this Sempai had been developed more than...". Actually this is potential. The idea of having Maiku deal with a third mature and possibly more rational choice was good, the execution is completely missing.

Onegai teacher OTOH has a hot chick from space falling in love with a 14-year-old looking boy. If it weren't for Onegai Twins very good execution this anime would be a ecchi fest without any content,

I hope that this time I get a mail notification, I'll also try to check this thread form time to time.

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

I think that my point was that Onegai Twins kinda failed at the execution point. (It's been a while, but I think that was my point.) The potential that it had for character development was squandered, the romance sub-plot was left as far too passsive...

Oh well. I liked both series anyway.

[ddaedalus (#100614)]