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Elfen Lied Ending Discussion (Spoilers)

**Posted:** Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:20 am

Caddberry (#27690)

Welcome to the board.. If a thread has a spoiler tag in the title you dont need to be cautious in the thread.. ~_^ Atleast you had the decency to put that your post contained spoilers and for that I'm grateful..

As for the last ep.. I have no idea.. I was under the impression it was Lucy.. But I have nothing solid and havent heard anything solid either..

**Posted:** Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:19 am

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We need episode 14 on the DVD release. Hopefully that'll explain all the loose ends.

**Posted:** Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:29 am

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i've heard that episode 14 is nothing more than a side-story for nana, set between the time she comes to stay at the inn, and the time she loses her arms and legs to lucy

**Posted:** Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:17 pm

Ryo (#35765) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 2

Then you mean that episode 14 doesn't tell whether Lucy comes back or not? By the way where you got the information from about episode 14 that's coming out on DVD?

**Posted:** Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:32 pm

Last Exile (#35342)

Yeah, where did you get that info?! Me want source! Wink

**Posted:** Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:24 am

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it was at some japanese site, and someone from another forum translated and posted the parts that talked about the unreleased episode from the final dvd of the set which has yet to be released..i found the info by googling

**Posted:** Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:42 am

Tokey (#68973) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 8

I'm glad they stopped it where they did. You can basically assume that it's Lucy, there's no reason to think that it isn't. Maybe it's Nyuu instead, since Nana didn't seem to sense her... but you get the point.

I really wasn't expecting a happy ending while I was watching this anime, and I'm glad we got what we did. As far as I'm concerned the loose ends have been somewhat tied up. I don't know if they'll live happily ever after, but it looks like they will be together.

I do hope they do a OVA/Movie/Second season though, as the story is far from over. The director revealed his horns near the end of the series, so there is still that fairly big loose end that needs to be tied up.

**Posted:** Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:10 pm

ApathyEcstasy (#67086)

i.m.o. there are a lotta animes that you shouldn't think of as anything more than a way to draw more attention to the manga (basically, advertainment)..and as many mangas are most often an ongoing story..that is the reason why so many animes don't have all the looses ends tied upon their conclusion..elfen lied seems to be included in this batch

**Posted:** Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:28 am

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**Posted:** Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:47 am

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**Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:51 am

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It had to be Nyuu/Lucy. Process of elimination (quite literally in some cases Very Happy

) leaves you with no characters who could turn up that would be even remotely turn up on the I-give-a-fuck-o-meter.

I liked the ending we got and it's easily one of the best endings I've seen in an anime. Not a cliched happyhappy joyjoy ending nor a Saikano-esque depressing as hell ending. It fit the anime and I'm actually really suprised as many people survived Laughing

**Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:03 am

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**Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:37 am

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Tabris (#53299) · AnimeNfo Scout Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 366

If I remember properly, the director ordered that Lucy be captured and remember what happened to her the first time a 'horn' came off. I think that maybe she was incapacitated, woke up and escaped to to Kouta's home Smile

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I think i'll just read the manga and hope for the best in the OVA.

**Posted:** Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:23 am

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**Posted:** Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:27 am

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Re: Elfen Lied Ending Discussion (Spoilers)

**Posted:** Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:34 am

hohoja (#17420) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 6

Let's just say it's quite wierd that

1. Nana didn't sence here at all
2. The dog was barking all happy,,, and the dog didnt really like her from the beginnnig

Let's just hope there's something in episode 14 or some movie,, or ova,, that'll explain it.

I can't really say i loved or hated the ending, all i can say is that it kinda broke my heart ;(

**Posted:** Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:44 pm

Jaap (#72591) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 1

After I watched the last episode I had to think at least an half an hour about what the endings meaning was. How I interperated it was that the stopping of the tune of the music box symbolized the end of one chapter in all their lives and the clock beginning is the beginning of a new one. In my mind there is no question about it that it was Lucy standing at the door. The question is if she is standing with her face to the door or her back. This is left to each individual to decide how they want to end this series, happy or sad.

For me it was an happy ending. Very Happy

**Posted:** Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:39 pm

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**Posted:** Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:03 am

Suigintou (#73373) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 43

Yeah, it's kind of hard not to say it's Lucy.

1. The dog is happy.

2. The figure doesn't have any horns. And is standing blankly at the door.

3. The clock thing is symbolism, but it is strong in that it represents either Nyuu or Lucy.

I'd love for it to be Lucy, but it could be Nyuu just as much. When Lucy's horns were shot off, her craving for blood was sealed away. (But only until they grow back..) That's why Nana might not have sensed her.

**Posted:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:17 am

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**Posted:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:19 pm

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Just finished it............ wow.........

There was really nothing happy about this ending if you ask me......... actually the whole episode was a heartbreaker. First, there's the realization that Mariko is Kurama's daughter to which I nearly went into shock over.... and I was so fixated on his daughter being Nana in the end, too..... so when the two died...... when Lucy threw her vectors in the air at the end..... *breaks down crying* NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I WANT LUCY BACK!!!!!!!! I WANT LUCY BAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!! ToT

**Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:01 am

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wait a minute.
the manga i based on the anime or the anime is based on the manga?

**Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:45 am

nauXolo (#69311) · AnimeNfo Juggernaut Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 5057

i also think that it has to be nyuu

but hey it could be nyuu who has her memories back, as in they could live a new life together

i agree with the fact that they let it end that way because that way mangas could develop more on it. the thing is... a lot of people are dead.... a lot of emotions were tossed in the air, if they bring in more characters and continue the story, it would seem kind of anti climatic and totally ruin the mood the series develops? or maybe that's just a point of view of a fanatic.

**Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:03 pm

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phoenix (#73013) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 2

i think i decover the real meaning about the end.
my english is't so good but i'l try to explain.
So... the musical box is the symbolize of Lucy and the clock is symbolize of Nyuu.
when the musical box was stoped its symbolize thet Lucy is dead. but right when the musical box was stoped, the clock was started to work and thet the symbolize for Nyuu, a symbolize the Nyuu is alive.
Lucy is dead but Nyuu is alive. maby she got her memory back or somthing like thet. maby when Lucy lost her last horn she died and then only Nyuu was remain in thet body.
so the one who stand behind the gate its not Lucy, its Nyuu.
Lucy deserve to die, after all the horrible thing's thet she deed. but Nyuu is a good person and she didn't harm enybody, she dont deserve to die, even if its the same body.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:10 am

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**Posted:** Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:31 pm

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**Posted:** Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:53 pm

Splitter (#11007)

Wait, Kanae had a brother complex? Yeah, I guess that makes sense.... but I really didn't pay attention to that.... the cousin incest didn't bother me though.....

**Posted:** Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:54 pm

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**Posted:** Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:18 pm

Fennec (#29942) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 13

Well, this response is waaay belated but I just noticed it after watching the series again in a long time. I think the person at the door is the scientist girl who was kidnapped by the director. Why did I come up with that crazy idea? She tore off a page with his picture in it (I assume it had info about his address and stuff) and carefully hid it in her pocket. The way she reacted when the director spoke showed that she didnt want him to know she was taking it. Its all conjecture but I think the probability of her showing up at the doorstep is just as high as Nyuu/Lucy's. I'm hoping for a second season or something Smile

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**Posted:** Sat May 07, 2005 8:19 pm

Crissaegrim (#84115) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1

The person behind the door is Lucy/Nyuu; from here on, Lucy.

**Posted:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:48 am

Iideska (#82565) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 3

i think the clock and the music box are not enought good reason for the shadow to be lucy/nyuu, but, if she were lucy/nyuu, how can it be explained her to defeat all the soldier without using her telekinetic powrs, because when he first loose one horn she only had tho arms left, with any horn left i dont know how she could survive.

and im not sure, but dont you think there are more than two meters there "?

**Posted:** Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:22 pm

XenoJin (#91070) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 1

I don't think losing a horn would make her lose 2 of her vectors lol.
Notice the bullets are like flying off? Why would it be flying around if it were to hit Lucy, and also notice 2 vectors are on the air, so maybe she could have defended herself using her other 2 arms. Maybe her powers increased when her horn broke (Why am I thinking this way xD) thus is able to block bullets with just 2 vectors.

Lucy/Nyuu!!! You can't die!! NOoo! T.T =(

**Posted:** Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:07 am

Rmoan (#93953) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 10

Ok,
Maybe Lucy went back to kill the that guy.
The one who said "the project is only getting started" in episode 13.

**Posted:** Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:33 am

avec (#93733) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 1

I think everyone here has made great points. In my opinion, the person at the door is not Lucy.

In the last episode, 13, the statue of Buddha appears twice. First appearance was when Lucy headed towards the final showdown between her and Mariko, and the second was when Lucy decended the stairs after she kills the man in white. In both scenes, a climax was reached.

During the first part, two important events occur. The first event is the confrontation between the father and his daughter. In this scene, Kurama and Mariko face each other again after so many years of pain, rejection, and denial, and although they almost came to blows, they end up finding their true "catalyst", or reason why they went through some many years of hell. The second event is the death of Kurama and his daughter, Mariko. After only a brief reunion, the two spend the last moments of the lives together in each other's arms, and thus fulfilling their hearts from the life they were forced to lead.

Notice the parallelism within the two parts. In the second part, Lucy also confronts her true "catalyst". She reveals her heart and soul out to Kouta, her savior, who had "suddenly appeared in front of [Lucy]... in this hell"...

Note: Elfen Lied uses doubles. For example, we can clearly see that Director Kurama is more or less the double of Kouta. Kurama having witnessed the death of his beloved wife, and nearly killed his only daughter, he made rationalizations in order to block the shock and trauma. Kouta, likewise, after witnessing the murder of his sister, Kanae, and father, blocked out an entire episode of memories to escape the pain.

... For Lucy, her revelation also signifes a change within herself. Up until that point, she deemed herself, a diclonius, a different kind than her "human" counterparts. This change began during the first episode when Lucy met Kouta again. The broken right horn during her fight with Mariko is a symbolic meaning for the painful lesson Lucy gained through her stay at the inn with Kouta, Yuka, Mayu, and Nana which is that although she is a diclonius, she is still human. Her transformation comes to a full circle during her last stand against the SAT battalion where her left horn is broken off. Lucy's death is envitable.

**Posted:** Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:14 am

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**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:26 pm

Diclonius (#94498) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 2

Throwing more doubts:

In ep 13 Lucy told Bando he would never see her again......... is that a sign Lucy would die or just a reinforcement to the die-Lucy/live-Nyu theory? o.O

**Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:32 pm

zarachi (#93831) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 61

i myself believe that it was lucy/nyuu becuase in one of the eps lucy cliped her hair to remind kouta of their past and at the very end, the shadow behind the door can clearly c short hair and she is one of the characters with short enought hair to fit that description

**Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:14 am

Bearded_Dragon (#96639)

i have another theory about the whole "two-arm thing" while lucy is fighting the soldiers.

be warned, its a short one that will probably NOT sound very tought over Razz

anyway, i'm thinking maybe she is using her other 2 arms for breaking off her second horn herself, the final emotions she have me before that made me think she is still unhappy of what she is, but that it has reached its climax, she can't take it anymore, wants to be "human" and rips off her horn. when she comes back in the credits behind the door (and i'm pretty sure it IS her) she is showing, as lots of you allready said ,according to the music box and clock, that the old lucy has died, and she became a peacefull person, a new era has came in wich she doesn't want to hurt anyone anymore, she just wants to be by kouta's side, makes you want to think about all the other things said in the series too, doesnt it :happy3:

**Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:18 am

-elfenlied- (#97911) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 24

i have 3 thoughts to this:

1)have you noticed the introductory song?well it is quite safe to say it is somthing to do with god,jesus.ect
lucy-reborn
jesus-reborn see the simularities? and in the song trasaltion it says 'who that resists tempation shall recive the crown of life' and 'oh lord,holy fire,have mercy' the crown of life bit i think is lucy resisting the tempation from that bandaged person in her mind in the end and not probably not killing all of those soldiers.the have mercy bit is like lucy is punishing herself but according to the song it mean't 'god' forgave(the word mercy) her and let her live but also punishing her by striping her of her vectors.making her undetecable to nana.

2)in episode 14 lucy suposedly died (like in episode 13) because nana said that she felt lucy's presence fading,if it was a in between episode how could lucy tell kouta (o.0" am i the first to spell this right?!?!?) she was sorry in episode 13. lucy was probably dead in episode 14 but nyu was still alive.

3)lucy when she was still young diidn't have a split personality but had a voice in her head that was bandaged, after she gave up to the director (if you have watched her memorys in episode 14) the director said that her friend died and she said "i won't kill you" then she asked if he had a family and then said "you shall feel it one day, i will kill the people around you and see how you feel" linking that with the bandaged person in lucy's mind that said "kill because you enjoy killing" is saying that she gave herself up to that person in her mind(mabye the dark lucy). in episode 1 she got hit by the anti tank bullet in the head but sorviving it. in my opinion it gave her the nyu side also in my opinion he good side and giving her a very evil and very good side making her kill alot of people, and because she was hit by a anti tank bullet the nyu side probably lost her memory and only knew how to say nyu...
after the song had stopped and the clock worked i think that simbolises that lucy's good side(nyu) and lucy's evil side(person in bandages in lucy's mind) fuzes and becomes the old lucy. nana cannot detect her because possibly she cannot recognise her as lucy.

note:by the way no offence but i do not believe in 'god' and i am not religious

i think this story has a very sad ending and is my favourite anime i have watched so far(yes i have watched more than just elfen lied)

**Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:48 pm

Arashi (#102356)

I think the silhouette is Nyuu, And returing to "replace" Kouta's little sister to attone for what she has done. The Music Box stoping being the end of Lucy, and the Clock being Nyuu coming home after surviving the battle with the soldiers. Losing her last horn making her "Human" in appearance and the short hair representing his little sister coming back home.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:44 pm

xin (#102823) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 82

So, Here is what really happens, this is not my opinion.

**Posted:** Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:17 pm

xin (#102823) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 82

and uh, also the clock starting is the continuation of Nyuu (since the manga ending wasnt intending to be the anime ending...it basically means in the Anime, Nyuu lives on forever, as seen in Yuka's setting nyuu's bowl on the table), the musicbox stopping is the death of Lucy. Think about it, the musicbox is really the symbol of the link between Lucy and Kouta as children. The g-father clock, well u know nyuu loved to play with it.

So you can see the inconsistencies due to the writers clearly not wanting to continue this anime beyond its ending.

**Posted:** Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:27 pm