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charn (#40191) wrote:
About Mitsuki, I think the way she reacts is kinda unrealistic. She gave up swimming just because her friend *got* into the accident ? heh ? I was like, how come these two things relate with each other ? Had I been Mitsuki although I would still go to visit Haruka occasionally, I would not give up my swimming only because of that. Let alone to give up university and my future just to take care of one jerk, Takayuki. I mean, let him suffer. Let him starve. Then he will realize himself that he is being stupid. Had Mitsuki not care for him at all, he would not be a jerk for a year.


She didnt just give up swimming because of the accident.. but what if she wanted to give it up since her friend would never have a good life?

You wouldnt have abandoned something you liked to take care of a person .. maybe? But you arent in love with anyone now are you? Have you ever been for that matter?

Mitsuki was in love.. Love makes you do the most moronic things..

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Regarding about Shinji VS Mitsuki incident, I found that scene downright laughable. I mean, Shinji was protecting Mitsuki from that guy to bring her into the Love Hotel .. but afterwards he ended up bringing her into that place by himself ? I was like, WTF ? I mean, had Mitsuki and that guy are already in the Love Hotel and Mitsuki was naked in the first place and Shinji burst in to save her (like in normal soap opera) then if after he saved her from that guy .. and then he was trying to look after Mitsuki and Mitsuki initiated the move like that and he f*cked her, then I can accept that ! But come on, they were fighting in front of the hotel .. then on the next scene, Shinji and Mitsuki already checked in to the hotel ? WTF ? And hey, this is Love Hotel, not Sheraton or Hyatt. People check in into these places for sex. Those two scenes totally contradict themselves badly ! But then, that's not surprising is it ? because just like most soap operas, if event A does not happen, there won't be event B. And after event B happened, character would behave in a C manner, or else there won't be event D ..


They checked in to the hotel to perhaps talk? You get those things by the hour.. They were in that district maybe he knew mitsuki needed to rest and talk.. He was thinking of her.. But in the end couldnt turn her down..

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And considering Takayuki and Mitsuki's sucky working abilities, it is laughable that the HQ wants Takayuki to become a full time staff in the administration department. I mean, morons like him managing business ? Oh hell, I can't imagine ! And Mitsuki .. I mean, damn, her employer is indeed the kindest employer on earth .. Had I been her boss, I would have expelled her on the first three days that she went absent minded .. Oh, I wouldn't care if she said "I am having a problem with my b/f." This is working time, for god's sake. Leave your personal problems at home. I am paying you to work for me. I am not going to tolerate seeing you working suckily ! This is business, not charity.


A lot of people might be like you are.. You cold hearted bastard.. LoL I'm j/k charn.. ~_^

But I wouldnt have fired her if I had been her boss.. Then again.. I'm a 'sensetive' type..

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But hey, this is anime, what do you expect ? Besides, if I were to recommend this or not, I would recommend it anyway. Because I know that people like to watch this kind of crap. I know I do .. LoL


LoL I liked this 'crap' a LOT.. I loved it in fact.. I think because it hit so close to home on many things for me..

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Charn.. Narumi's money situation doesnt come to surface because its not necessary here in this anime.. Perhaps his parents died and he was living off of an inheritence.. or they gave him cash..

Also.. Have you ever been in love? You say mitsuki wouldnt fall for him.. But .. Damn man.. You seriously can't control who you fall in love with.. You are just taken with a person..
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 OK .. I haven't been in a relationship. As a result, I'll keep my mouth shut. But oh when I was studying, I see lots of girls who are *ahem* not very bright, and really, I just wasn't interested to initiate any kind of love relationship with them at all. Just talking with them more than 5 minutes give me a difficult time, because whatever i talk to them I felt as if I was talking to a block of wood.

But to give your argument a credit, I would have to admit that you have a very valid point. I have seen some girl who is a very bright or outstanding student whom everyone envies her, going out with a very average guy who has a very average look and very average brain. So yes, it's still possible, although it is extremely rare.

And not to make myself misunderstood, I like this series. But IMHO it's just not as realistic as what people think it is, that's all.
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charn (#40191) wrote:
And not to make myself misunderstood, I like this series. But IMHO it's just not as realistic as what people think it is, that's all.


I'm guessing you missed the post where I said it's realistic because I lived through situations exactly like this?

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 Oh dear, Charn, I was about to bash you over your head for saying such things about KGNE, but then I read that part about you liking it. Ha ha. Laughing Sorry.

I guess I can't get too emotional over this. I absolutely loved the series. It's my No. 1, even better than AYA. And I think, on a "weepy" scale, it's right up there with the best of them Taiwanese soap operas (which I think are really shitty, BTW). But in terms of realism, nothing else compares.

Why do I know it's realistic? Because I've lost a friend before, similar circumstances (got run over by a car while waiting at the stop lights). And I know how I felt back then. Gut-wrenchingly depressed. I know how Narumi felt because I felt the same way back then. And I was only 16 then. I can understand how my close friends felt when they saw me that way. I see the same emotions in Mitsuki. I can understand why Haruka's parents requested that Narumi stop visiting her in the hospital. My own friends wanted me to forget the sadness too.

I'm not saying what each of those characters did is right or wrong. I certainly was stronger than Narumi (or at least I think so) and I moved on and lived my life better. But what I'm saying is that the series portrayed very real emotions and reactions to events.

Charn, as your big brother, I really hope you don't have to go through such harrowing experiences to just be able to say 'Oh, KGNE is real enough. I've been through that before." But believe me when I say, those emotions portrayed in the series are very real. And I'm unfortunate enough to have gone through that hell.
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Caddberry (#27690) wrote:
She didnt just give up swimming because of the accident.. but what if she wanted to give it up since her friend would never have a good life?


Oh, well, but Takayuki never has a good life anyway haha .. Laughing

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They checked in to the hotel to perhaps talk? You get those things by the hour.. They were in that district maybe he knew mitsuki needed to rest and talk.. He was thinking of her.. But in the end couldnt turn her down..


Err .. In Asia, Love Hotel is definitely not the place to talk ! I know that ! Did you notice in a lot of anime that if characters see someone they know when they are walking out of the Love Hotel, then they will be embarrassed. Love Hotel in Asia is definitely the place for sex and nothing else. If they want to talk, oh, there is always the park. And it's free. Why bother checking in ? No. I'll confirm that these two scenes (1st scene : Shinji helping Mitsuki from that dude who wants to f*ck her & 2nd scene : They end up in love Hotel by themselves) contradict themselves. Yes, it's true that Mitsuki initiated the move. But they have no reason whatsoever to check in to the Love Hotel in the first place.

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LoL I liked this 'crap' a LOT.. I loved it in fact.. I think because it hit so close to home on many things for me..


I am not saying that the events in KgNE are unrealistic. They are realistic events which can happen to people's lives. That's why this show seems realistic. However, all of these realistic events were put together one after another in the most unrealistic ways possible because of the irrational and exaggerated interactions each characters react towards each situations.

Let's take this Shinji & Mitsuki thing as an example.

Realistic : Yes, it is possible for a guy to cheat on his friend by having sex with his friend's girlfriend.

Unrealistic : But the way characters react until they arrive at this event is unrealistic. He saved her from there, but then the next scene we see, they already checked in to that place and then Mitsuki initiated the move and they ended up having sex. Why they checked in is beyond me and was never explained. Why no explanation ? Because they can't explain or we will all notice the flaws of this show that these two scenes contradict themselves !

Now, another example of how exaggerated characters react with each situations.

In Episode 1 , when Takayuki was about to tell Haruka how he feels about her, Haruka's reaction was unrealistically exaggerated. Did you remember how she reacted ? OK, maybe you didn't. I'll describe.

She covers her ears, closes her eyes, and shouts "Yah, yah, don't tell me. I don't want to hear !" Who, in the world, would react in such an exaggerated manner like that ? No one ! Period. Damn, if I am about to tell a girl whom I don't really love (I mean, Takayuki doesn't love Haruka, doesn't he ? he goes out with her because Mitsuki insisted him to. Fact ?) "Oh, let's date" If she would behave so moronically like characters in soap opera like that, I would just walk away.

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Next example, in Episode 5. If you are Takayuki, and Haruka was sleeping like a Sleeping Beauty in the hospital, and you have no interest in going to Arts festival anyway (Obviously, Takayuki has no interest in Arts Festival. Fact ?) Would you do something so idiotically unrealistic like what he did ? Takayuki carried Haruka (who was asleep) out of her room, and about to bring her to the Arts Festival. How soap-operaish is that ? Then when those nurses told him not to go, look how exaggerated he reacts. I'll describe in slow motion. He slowly kneels down on the floor, and starts crying and whining. Who on earth, apart from characters in soap opera, would react in such an exaggerated manner like that ?

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Charn.. Narumi's money situation doesnt come to surface because its not necessary here in this anime.. Perhaps his parents died and he was living off of an inheritence.. or they gave him cash..


had there is a scene which talks about him receiving inheritance, I would not bring this matter up. But there isn't. Razz That's why I point out that he reacts so exaggeratedly !

Realistic : When your friend is involved in an accident, you will be depressed.

Unrealistic : But you are not going to just not doing anything for a year because of that ! When I am depressed, I would cry, and the next thing I would do is I would want to find someone to talk to. But I won't lock myself up in an apartment for a whole year. That is too much exaggeration.

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I'm guessing you missed the post where I said it's realistic because I lived through situations exactly like this?


No, I didn't miss it. I can imagine myself encountering these situations. Oh yes, two of my best friends were involved in car accidents before ! But I didn't give up everything because of that. I still do my work, but I find sometimes to visit them. I don't give up everything and lock myself up like characters in KgNE. Life goes on. You know ?

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now Ken, haha is this a debate or something ??

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And I think, on a "weepy" scale, it's right up there with the best of them Taiwanese soap operas (which I think are really shitty, BTW). But in terms of realism, nothing else compares.


Err .. you contradict yourself here. You said this is right up there with TW soap operas .. then next sentence you said this is realistic as anything. If KgNE is soap opera, how the heck can it be realistic than anything else ? Please explain .. Laughing

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Why do I know it's realistic? Because I've lost a friend before, similar circumstances (got run over by a car while waiting at the stop lights). And I know how I felt back then. Gut-wrenchingly depressed. I know how Narumi felt because I felt the same way back then. And I was only 16 then. I can understand how my close friends felt when they saw me that way. I see the same emotions in Mitsuki. I can understand why Haruka's parents requested that Narumi stop visiting her in the hospital. My own friends wanted me to forget the sadness too.

I'm not saying what each of those characters did is right or wrong. I certainly was stronger than Narumi (or at least I think so) and I moved on and lived my life better. But what I'm saying is that the series portrayed very real emotions and reactions to events.


Now as I said, the events are realistic events. (And I am sad to hear about the incident with your best friend, it must be very sad for you indeed.) But as you said, you are stronger then Narumi. That's why you reacted properly and he reacted in an exaggerated manner. The series portrayed emotions and reactions to events, yes, I agree. You are supposed to see narumi feeling sad, right ? And yes, he did. But he exaggerated his reaction in such a way that only characters in soap operas or movies would do ! Luckily, KgNE did not cross the pretentious line like Saikano did (oh, that one is obvious how fake the emotions are so damn exaggerated), but it's pretty damn close of doing so. That's why the debate on "Is this realistic or not" can be endless, unlike Saikano which you can pretty much point out since the second episode that the whole thing is a joke.
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 Opps Charn! Watch those spoilers. There's no spoiler tag in the subject line!

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And I think, on a "weepy" scale, it's right up there with the best of them Taiwanese soap operas (which I think are really shitty, BTW). But in terms of realism, nothing else compares.


Err .. you contradict yourself here. You said this is right up there with TW soap operas .. then next sentence you said this is realistic as anything. If KgNE is soap opera, how the heck can it be realistic than anything else ? Please explain .. Laughing


Actually, I did not contradict myself.

Both Taiwanese soaps and KGNE are very weepy. There's practically people crying in almost every episode. However, in those shitty Taiwanese soaps, people cry for the slightest of reasons. And their reactions are exaggerated. Now, I don't understand why people watch that kind of shit.

In KGNE, people cry because they need to. I can tell you I cried when my friend died. I cried a lot. It affected my studies, I got pretty bad grades for my GCE "O" Level exams. While I did not sink to the level of being suicidal, I was pretty much wasted. Lost and drifting aimlessly and I didn't know what to do or what I wanted from life. Well, I should probably also tell you had she been alive, she'd probably be my life-mate. Yes, we were dating. When something like that happens in your life, you react like that.

Why did I love KGNE so much? Remember I watched AYA first, and while Kaoru's background and history reminded me of my own and I loved the story, KGNE overtook AYA as my all-time favourite easily. Why? Because I saw myself in Narumi. I understood why he felt the way he did. I saw my friends in Mitsuki, my really close friends who really cared for me. I know how they felt. I know how I felt. And it's all way too real.

Now, I never liked all that Taiwanese soap scum. I wish I could scrub it off the face of this earth. Damn, it's just so cheesy and corny. KGNE is not. It's as real as it can get, and it was very uncomfortable for me to watch.
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 Love makes people very, very, very irrational, charn. I'm surprised you haven't seen this yet Razz

Hell, people aren't generally that rational to begin with. We live with a lot of conflicting beliefs, a lot of the time, and act in stupid ways. Life moves too fast for most people to think carefully about every little action, and sometimes that laziness continues on to the larger actions.
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 Actually, I can help explain a lot of this since I have the time now to do so and I've seen KGNE from beginning to end (I'm very sick with a cold/allergies/flu, and I had a fever of 102.5 degrees F at one point....not sure what it is, so I'm holding off on working for a bit to rest. Charn, I think your bout with the flu somehow traveled overseas and hit me Laughing)

Kainy's right, love does tend to make people irrational, and I thought the events were rather realistic in KGNE, almost to a tee.

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Realistic : When your friend is involved in an accident, you will be depressed.

Unrealistic : But you are not going to just not doing anything for a year because of that ! When I am depressed, I would cry, and the next thing I would do is I would want to find someone to talk to. But I won't lock myself up in an apartment for a whole year. That is too much exaggeration......

....No, I didn't miss it. I can imagine myself encountering these situations. Oh yes, two of my best friends were involved in car accidents before ! But I didn't give up everything because of that. I still do my work, but I find sometimes to visit them. I don't give up everything and lock myself up like characters in KgNE. Life goes on. You know ?


Well, Takiyuki blamed himself for the accident's occurance, and if you find that you're to blame for someone else's life being on the line, of course it will get to you. You could debate whether Takiyuki truly loved Haruka at the time (the time he left her at the festival and the time he was late to greet her before the accident occured), but I think he was growing to like her and know her.

When a person grieves, it's not as simple as crying and then finding someone to help, it's a question of that person's will and condition. Takiyuki probably blamed himself for the whole thing and thus came into a bout of depression, and lifeless living, so to speak. Perhaps we could say he had post-traumatic stress disorder, which is nothing to fool around with....he couldn't ask for help because he was in no position, physical or mental, to ask for help.


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Realistic : Yes, it is possible for a guy to cheat on his friend by having sex with his friend's girlfriend.

Unrealistic : But the way characters react until they arrive at this event is unrealistic. He saved her from there, but then the next scene we see, they already checked in to that place and then Mitsuki initiated the move and they ended up having sex. Why they checked in is beyond me and was never explained. Why no explanation ? Because they can't explain or we will all notice the flaws of this show that these two scenes contradict themselves !


I'll agree with you there....I had no notion why they decided to check into the hotel.....until I figured, they had a reservation under the other guy's tab and decided to use it Laughing....no, I'm joking Smile but I would like to know that, that was probably the only point where I was confused about the series events.

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In Episode 1 , when Takayuki was about to tell Haruka how he feels about her, Haruka's reaction was unrealistically exaggerated. Did you remember how she reacted ? OK, maybe you didn't. I'll describe.

She covers her ears, closes her eyes, and shouts "Yah, yah, don't tell me. I don't want to hear !" Who, in the world, would react in such an exaggerated manner like that ? No one ! Period. Damn, if I am about to tell a girl whom I don't really love (I mean, Takayuki doesn't love Haruka, doesn't he ? he goes out with her because Mitsuki insisted him to. Fact ?) "Oh, let's date" If she would behave so moronically like characters in soap opera like that, I would just walk away.


Rejection hurts....period. I can see why Haruka was so adamnant about not hearing Takiyuki's statement, because she thought he was going to reject her. And yes, when you're truly in love with someone, you don't want to hear that sort of rejection. Love can make people regress to child-like statures....even with the tantrum Haruka threw, and she was acting like a little kid, I'll admit, but I could see why she did. But then again, you have to try to get into her shoes and understand her frame of mind. It's realistic in the sense that if you can understand who she is....then yes, it is possible. And you have to understand Takiyuki's character too, he's caring enough and cares for Haruka enough not to walk away from her or hurt her. (Not saying that the way you would react is wrong, but try to consider it in an outside realm).

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Next example, in Episode 5. If you are Takayuki, and Haruka was sleeping like a Sleeping Beauty in the hospital, and you have no interest in going to Arts festival anyway (Obviously, Takayuki has no interest in Arts Festival. Fact ?) Would you do something so idiotically unrealistic like what he did ? Takayuki carried Haruka (who was asleep) out of her room, and about to bring her to the Arts Festival. How soap-operaish is that ? Then when those nurses told him not to go, look how exaggerated he reacts. I'll describe in slow motion. He slowly kneels down on the floor, and starts crying and whining. Who on earth, apart from characters in soap opera, would react in such an exaggerated manner like that ?


Shock....purely shock. I think Takiyuki was in such a state of mind that he didn't understand the full consequences of what he was doing. Love and extreme pain can make you do irrational things, Charn. We could look on the outside of it and say it was a dumb decision, but if it was someone you deeply cared about, someone that was such a part of you, you couldn't accept the fact they were like that...what would you do?

Sometimes it takes other people or events to make you realize the reality..Takiyuki wasn't really living, he was in this alternating state of sadness and static living, meaning he didn't understand that things in life had changed....Haruka was still in that condition. Note how he went to the hospital and talked to her regularly as if she were still awake, he didn't rationalize the magnitude of her coma, that's why he did what he did, among other reasons. You'd think on one level he was trying to comfort himself by talking to her as if she could hear him, but at the same time, with the incident of him carrying her out of the hospital room, it was a note that maybe he didn't understand the magnitude, and when he did (as the nurse told him), it made him break down.

@Ken I"m very sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, I really do know being in that state of wandering aimlessly feels like....but I think I sunk into a state even lower than that (I was a weak person then, but I'm glad now that I'm alive and stronger to move on from those events). And I agree with you on the points you made for KGNE. Although I never watched a Taiwanese drama before....perhaps I shouldn't then? Laughing

@Kainy, well said, I don't think I could've said it better myself.

Random fact: I just went through a box of tissues typing this post....so I hope you get something out of it Wink
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 Well, I am sorry to hear that you have a flu. I know how it feels like coz I just had it .. Well, get a lot of rest !

I am very busy, so i will resume this conversation in two weeks time. Now is my busiest moment of this year !
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charn (#40191) wrote:
Let's take this Shinji & Mitsuki thing as an example.

Realistic : Yes, it is possible for a guy to cheat on his friend by having sex with his friend's girlfriend.

Unrealistic : But the way characters react until they arrive at this event is unrealistic. He saved her from there, but then the next scene we see, they already checked in to that place and then Mitsuki initiated the move and they ended up having sex. Why they checked in is beyond me and was never explained. Why no explanation ? Because they can't explain or we will all notice the flaws of this show that these two scenes contradict themselves !


I don't honestly remember the exact happenings.. How they got into a motel.. Or whatever.. I'd have to watch it again.. for now I can't comment on this one..

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Now, another example of how exaggerated characters react with each situations.

In Episode 1 , when Takayuki was about to tell Haruka how he feels about her, Haruka's reaction was unrealistically exaggerated. Did you remember how she reacted ? OK, maybe you didn't. I'll describe.

She covers her ears, closes her eyes, and shouts "Yah, yah, don't tell me. I don't want to hear !" Who, in the world, would react in such an exaggerated manner like that ? No one ! Period. Damn, if I am about to tell a girl whom I don't really love (I mean, Takayuki doesn't love Haruka, doesn't he ? he goes out with her because Mitsuki insisted him to. Fact ?) "Oh, let's date" If she would behave so moronically like characters in soap opera like that, I would just walk away.


If a girl thinks someone will tell them that they don't love them .. they will do this.. I've also seen it happen the other way around..

I've seriously seen women do this.. sometimes just jokingly though usually.. In fact.. One even did it to me.. LoL

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Next example, in Episode 5. If you are Takayuki, and Haruka was sleeping like a Sleeping Beauty in the hospital, and you have no interest in going to Arts festival anyway (Obviously, Takayuki has no interest in Arts Festival. Fact ?) Would you do something so idiotically unrealistic like what he did ? Takayuki carried Haruka (who was asleep) out of her room, and about to bring her to the Arts Festival. How soap-operaish is that ? Then when those nurses told him not to go, look how exaggerated he reacts. I'll describe in slow motion. He slowly kneels down on the floor, and starts crying and whining. Who on earth, apart from characters in soap opera, would react in such an exaggerated manner like that ?


Ok.. This was extra dramatic.. The fact that he dated her not very long makes it even more unrealistic.. But then again.. You can't tell how a person's heart feels.. If it was a woman I loved I'd be a torn up wreck like him.. I do believe that you can fall in love in one day, and I feel it can be one year.. or even 10.. If you love someone with all your heart.. and You made a promise to do something with them.. Man.. I'd probably do the same thing he did.. I would get her and carry her to go see what we had promised..


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Charn.. Narumi's money situation doesnt come to surface because its not necessary here in this anime.. Perhaps his parents died and he was living off of an inheritence.. or they gave him cash..


had there is a scene which talks about him receiving inheritance, I would not bring this matter up. But there isn't. Razz That's why I point out that he reacts so exaggeratedly !


Um.. Reacts so exaggeratedly toward what? unless that's below then nvm..

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Realistic : When your friend is involved in an accident, you will be depressed.

Unrealistic : But you are not going to just not doing anything for a year because of that ! When I am depressed, I would cry, and the next thing I would do is I would want to find someone to talk to. But I won't lock myself up in an apartment for a whole year. That is too much exaggeration.


That is you.. That is not the way everyone operates. It's just not.. Did he lock himself up for a whole year? When did Mitsuki start helping him? I think perhaps he let himself stay in that slump because he was relying on Mitsuki towards the end of that.. But if you love someone .. You don't just seek out people to talk to about your problem.. You don't want to talk about it because nothing can fix it.. You can a lot of times be enveloped in darkness and not even notice it.. You wouldnt be a certain way.. But trust me.. Becoming isolated is not an extreme exaggeration..

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I'm guessing you missed the post where I said it's realistic because I lived through situations exactly like this?


No, I didn't miss it. I can imagine myself encountering these situations. Oh yes, two of my best friends were involved in car accidents before ! But I didn't give up everything because of that. I still do my work, but I find sometimes to visit them. I don't give up everything and lock myself up like characters in KgNE. Life goes on. You know ?


You didn't love them. You don't love friends like you love your lover. Not only that main point, but were they in comas?
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 @rosepetals .. excellent argument ! Hmm you can express your opinions so well that you somewhat changed my opinion, a bit .. on these two parts ..

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Love can make people regress to child-like statures....even with the tantrum Haruka threw, and she was acting like a little kid, I'll admit, but I could see why she did. But then again, you have to try to get into her shoes and understand her frame of mind. It's realistic in the sense that if you can understand who she is....then yes, it is possible.


Yes, you are absolutely right about that. But still, it is still somewhat soap-operaish no matter how I look at it.

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Shock....purely shock. I think Takiyuki was in such a state of mind that he didn't understand the full consequences of what he was doing. Love and extreme pain can make you do irrational things, Charn. We could look on the outside of it and say it was a dumb decision, but if it was someone you deeply cared about, someone that was such a part of you, you couldn't accept the fact they were like that...what would you do?

Sometimes it takes other people or events to make you realize the reality..Takiyuki wasn't really living, he was in this alternating state of sadness and static living, meaning he didn't understand that things in life had changed


Yes, you did change my opinion about this particular scene. (And I mean it as a compliment of course) Thanks for that !

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I have some gripes as well about Mitsuki and Takayuki's feeling towards Haruka after she woke up which I found to be a bit insensible .. but as I am very busy this week and next week so I'll resume this conversation next week !

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Now @ Cadd,

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If a girl thinks someone will tell them that they don't love them .. they will do this.. I've also seen it happen the other way around..

I've seriously seen women do this.. sometimes just jokingly though usually.. In fact.. One even did it to me.. LoL


My goodness .. What was your reaction ?? Had it been me I would really have walked away .. that's sick !

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You didn't love them. You don't love friends like you love your lover. Not only that main point, but were they in comas?


Yup, both of them were in comas. One was a friend in high school and another one is a very very dear friend of mine whom I respect very highly because he helped me so much with my piano playing .. I was extremely devastated when I heard that he had accident.

But I wasn't the cause of the accident .. so maybe that's why even though I feel devastated, I didn't feel so guilty that I lost motivation to do anything for a long while .. And as Ken said, I wouldn't want to experience these events myself just to comment whether his reaction is realistic or not .. these kind of events are too sad that one is ought not to experience it no matter what !
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charn (#40191) wrote:
Now @ Cadd,

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If a girl thinks someone will tell them that they don't love them .. they will do this.. I've also seen it happen the other way around..

I've seriously seen women do this.. sometimes just jokingly though usually.. In fact.. One even did it to me.. LoL


My goodness .. What was your reaction ?? Had it been me I would really have walked away .. that's sick !


Well she was joking.. I was actually telling this girl how much I loved her or trying and she jokingly did that because she didnt want to date anyone knowing she'd have to go back to school and leave me behind.. I think I tackled her and started kissing her and we both wound up laughing..

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You didn't love them. You don't love friends like you love your lover. Not only that main point, but were they in comas?


Yup, both of them were in comas. One was a friend in high school and another one is a very very dear friend of mine whom I respect very highly because he helped me so much with my piano playing .. I was extremely devastated when I heard that he had accident.

But I wasn't the cause of the accident .. so maybe that's why even though I feel devastated, I didn't feel so guilty that I lost motivation to do anything for a long while .. And as Ken said, I wouldn't want to experience these events myself just to comment whether his reaction is realistic or not .. these kind of events are too sad that one is ought not to experience it no matter what !


I wouldnt want anyone to experience something like that either.. I'm sure guilt played a big BIG part of why he was so torn up.. Guilt, a feeling of obligation, and the fact that she was his woman, and however deep his love was for her..
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charn (#40191) wrote:
Now @ Cadd,

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If a girl thinks someone will tell them that they don't love them .. they will do this.. I've also seen it happen the other way around..

I've seriously seen women do this.. sometimes just jokingly though usually.. In fact.. One even did it to me.. LoL


My goodness .. What was your reaction ?? Had it been me I would really have walked away .. that's sick !


I have had friends live a life filled with lies. She didn't want to know the truth. He didn't want to hurt her so he didn't tell her. They stayed together because nobody wanted to hurt or be hurt. And now, several years later, they're still together because now they have a house and kids and commitments. There's still respect and understanding, and perhaps a little love. But the passion is gone.

I may not have been in exactly the same situation as Narumi/Haruka were. But I learnt a very important lesson back then. And that is if you don't love a girl, it's only fair to tell her the truth than just play along with the silly game of love. I've hurt someone very badly when she learnt from someone else that I didn't like her.

I know for a fact that some girls don't want to face the truth, that the person they love doesn't love them anymore. It hurts, and they don't want to be hurt. I made the mistake of falsely believing that by not telling her, I wouldn't hurt her. In the end, we both got hurt.

End of story.
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charn (#40191) wrote:
Well, I am sorry to hear that you have a flu. I know how it feels like coz I just had it .. Well, get a lot of rest !

I am very busy, so i will resume this conversation in two weeks time. Now is my busiest moment of this year !


Thank you, I'm happy to say I'm over it now (after about 3 days of fever...still a little cold, but not so much), and thank you for the nice commentary; I'm happy that it gave you something to think on (rather than just being my somewhat typical philosophical chats). ^_^

I think, from watching KGNE, it made me really think about what type of romantic relationships that are out there. I know what unrequited and even suppressed love feels like, but I was surprised to learn even more how many relationships are out there where there's no love, just comittment. I"ve always grown up in an environment where there's love and comittment, and few times, and mostly involving dear friends of mine, where the relationship is rather estranged and the couple is together simply for the sake of being together. Ideally, we would think otherwise for a suitable relationship, but comittments are a prime factor in that, and there's a duty to the collective whole's well-being, not simply the self. I could only contemplate how much sacrifice and/or inner pain that could entail.

Similarly to how Takiyuki's and Haruka's relationship was... I wonder if Takiyuki said no to Haruka initially, would it have fallen to the extent that Haruka's accident entailed?
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rosepetals19 (#42525) wrote:
Similarly to how Takiyuki's and Haruka's relationship was... I wonder if Takiyuki said no to Haruka initially, would it have fallen to the extent that Haruka's accident entailed?


Most probably not. Haruka would probably be just another friend to Narumi. Perhaps a friend who is closer than most, and he might feel sad. But I doubt he'll fall into that huge deep hole of self-depression.

But then again, we wouldn't have our favourite story if that were to happen.
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 I just watched it and I really liked it. One of the best for sure. Several years ago, I would have thought it completely unrealistic. But right now, it's the only anime where everyone acted like a human being and I completely understood (or accepted) the character's reactions.

About previous posts where some thought certain expression were over the top. Whenever that happened, it seemed like the artist was just conveying what the characters were feeling inside. You can't convey that kind of emotional impact with normal expressions.

I had a different take on the whole story though (and you may disagree as this is just the way I saw it). I never believed that Takayuki ever loved Haruka 100%. I just didn't see anything that conveyed this. Sure, he started liking her more and more as they were dating and he was probably falling in love with her. But he never truly loved her. There was always some hesitation. And not normal anime hesitation. (Being late, hesitation to confide after she's said it, leaving her alone at the festival... even before he ran into Mitsuki, he was already late before the accident). I considered the whole series about what can happen when you're caught in a lie or too afraid to say the truth. ie. being nice can be hurtful if you don't really mean it.

When she got injured, I didn't think the main reason he felt guilty was that he was late. I thought it was that he never told her the truth. That it was somehow a lie even though he really did have feelings for her (but not of true love). If he had told her the truth, they would have never been on a date. But this was something he could never tell. He's the nice guy right? Imagine telling that you've been a complete jerk... that you went out with her cuz her friend asked. No, he decides to do what he believes is the right thing and sees things through... but she doesn't wake up. (See Akane comments below for more on this.)

And I'm surprised no one mentioned the ring. Notice how they kept showing the ring throughout the series. Notice at the end, he drops it. He didn't go to the tree for Mitsuki. He went there for Haruka. That ring kept reminding him of Haruka, the ring that caused it all. All the time he was with Mitsuki, that ring reminded him of Haruka (and stalled the relationship). When he decided to stay with Mitsuki at the last episode near the tree, he purposly drops the ring so that "Haruka will no longer be guilting him" every time he looked at Mitsuki. That tree is where the lie started and that's where it ends.

What did you think Akane meant when she kept saying that Takayuki is a nice guy, but it ends up hurting everyone? She knew towards the end that he never really loved Haruka. But since he's a nice guy and was with Haruka in the past, he takes it upon himself (that it's his responsability) to take care of Haruka. He ended up sacrificing everything, at least the first year, for Haruka and now again. But Akane now knows it wasn't real. That Takayuki just thinks he's doing the right thing. He can't think of just dumping Haruka like that. Sometimes being a bastard is the right move though, but that goes against who he is.

So when Haruka woke up, he was torn between guilt and his feelings for Mitsuki. I cringed when he recited the "spell". Oh man. He so wanted to believe that he did love her... that it wasn't a lie.

And when Haruka says at the end that she was in love with the Takayuki from 3 years ago. Takayuki is thinking that man never existed. But he finally leaves and cries because he's lied to her all this time and can't possibly tell her the truth. He never truly loved her then and doesn't love her now either, so he's kicking himself "why did I let 3 years go by when I could have avoided all this to start with?" So he leaves feeling wretched. And trust me, you will cry when you have that feeling. It's one of the worst feelings in the world. Worse than breaking up (well, it's different anyhow). And don't get me wrong, he does care about her deeply... and that just makes it worse.

I thought Mitsuki was an incredible character of strength. I just couldn't believe the way they wrote that character. She became more and more frustrated as she couldn't get through to him, but for the longest time, she kept cool. Eventually, she started getting more direct and more well... selfish. But it wasn't her fault. The situation was outside her control. Though she should have left after the first 2 initial months of helping takayuki. Sure this gave her purpose, but had the negative effect of not giving a reason for takayuki to get off his ass. However, she did what a normal human being would... you help your friend. She was doing to takayuki the same thing takayuki was doing with haruka... sticking with them when they should have left.

I realise this goes against what every one else saw. But I just saw too many little things that seemed to hint that he was never truly in love with Haruka.

Anyways, there was tons of other stuff I noticed that I thought were really thoughtful. I never thought an anime would put in this kind of material. Especially the fine line between really caring for someone AND/OR truly loving someone... how this fine line can cause so much havoc. Extremely well executed. So yeah, the end was perfect.

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 At first I would like to say I like Mitsuki a lot as character. My reason is simple: she reminds me of my girlfriend I was forced to left after several years of living together. There are so many things they have similar and so many similar situation she were in which made me think "it can't be!" after I saw this perfect anime. Not to mention she quit her hobby because of her love towards myself... this made me sad twice, that time and now again.
And the last but most important thing is - whole anime longs for about 6 hours - it's easy to sit and watch it and then criticise Mitsuki's double betrayal but try to live in such life mess in real for few years and you will make many mistakes and change your mind about the most of the things - believe me, I was forced to do it so too even though I was stubbron when it comes to changing my views and opinions.
For me when Mitsuki was drunk she decided in her mind to broke up finally with Takayuki by sleeping with somebody in lovehotel (so famous in Japan between young lovers). But when she woke up she realized that she still feels intensive love which hurts now more than before and is unbearable. That's why she did it, I understand, and why she was so angry on Shinji that morning - she was simple absolutely helpless - that's the other (dark?) side of the love.

Well, first, if I were Takayuki in these days I think I will recover from shock after year completely (rembember it's still time before he started with Hayase, look episode 5) and will send imaginary farewell message:"So sorry Haruka, but life is more for living people - you are so cute and honest and kind but it's simple not enough, because you are sleeping for one year and things should move now. I take part of the responsibility for that accindent but that doesn't mean I don't have right to live my life my way till you wake up. Now I know I love and always had some feelings towards Mitsuki even though I didn't know it before I made a mistake and started with you. There is nothing I can do for you to help you wake up. Gomen. Sayonara." But everything in the world has its own time and place.

The other thing is the request from Haruka's parents and absolutely no communication between them and Akane - why Takayuki should or should not visit their daugther depending on current situation which I understand but it was somehow selfish from them to bind him to her for so long time with such troublesome requests.

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And I'm surprised no one mentioned the ring. Notice how they kept showing the ring throughout the series. Notice at the end, he drops it. He didn't go to the tree for Mitsuki. He went there for Haruka.


No. Takayuki is running and before the tree he wispered "Mitsuki". And then he goes sitting under the tree again "Mitsuki, where are you?". He was looking for her only (no one else this time Wink) and he searched all the places where she could be possibly found. Therefore he was holding a ring which was symbol of their love from the beginning and wanted to return it to her. Farewell to Haruka released him completely, put his blindness away and he gain focus to his only real love, Mitsuki.

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That ring kept reminding him of Haruka, the ring that caused it all. All the time he was with Mitsuki, that ring reminded him of Haruka (and stalled the relationship). When he decided to stay with Mitsuki at the last episode near the tree, he purposly drops the ring so that "Haruka will no longer be guilting him" every time he looked at Mitsuki. That tree is where the lie started and that's where it ends.


Well, this could have been true only if ring wasn't shown shining on the Mitsuki's finger years after they meet near the tree - it's at the end of the last episode when she cries (of course she's happy) over Akane's swim victory (interview in the newspapers).

So this is my version of the "ring" story: I think that except the last episode the ring is the only confession from Takayuki to Mitsuki (although hidden one) during whole anime and therefore so important symbol of their love for Mitsuki. Did you noticed that ring was drawn somehow "dirty" from the time Mitsuki drop it in the cup in episode 12? Then look at it when they stand hugging near the tree, rain stopped and the sun and the ring is shining again. And Mitsuki still wears it even after several years - so for them both there is a little or none connection between the ring and Haruka's accident - I think it's love symbol like wedding ring for them.

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 I just finished this about two days ago and I FINALLY finished reading everyone's post. It was interesting, because I read stuff that I would have never thought of. However, there is still one point that is confusing me and giving me a hard time to understand this anime.

I talked to a friend at school about this anime, he said "Haruka rejected Takayuki at the scene of the beach." My main question, what factors led to Takayuki ending up with Mitsuki? My original thought was that Takayuki WANTED to LEAVE hakura, but then again, my friend said haruka rejected takayuki at the end.

I rewatched the last episode and tried to analyze all that I have heard and read. Did haruka, in fact reject takayuki? Their conversation and the story Haruka recites are so confusing to me because everything seems true, whether haruka rejected takayuki or the other way around. Can someone care to explain for me please? lol...

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Cipher7 (#91028) wrote:
I talked to a friend at school about this anime, he said "Haruka rejected Takayuki at the scene of the beach." My main question, what factors led to Takayuki ending up with Mitsuki? My original thought was that Takayuki WANTED to LEAVE hakura, but then again, my friend said haruka rejected takayuki at the end.


The way I see it, Narumi wanted to leave Haruka, but didn't know how she would feel or react about his decision. Haruka gave him her blessings (in effect, saying "Go, I'll be alright without you.")

Remember, Narumi is still guilt-ridden at that point in time regarding Haruka's accident and he seemed to feel that he had a responsibility to care for her and be with her, despite the fact that the woman he loved was Mitsuki.

From the moment Haruka woke up from her coma, right till the very last episode, it was all about resolving this issue of responsibility vs. love.
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Ken Hayashi (#52012) wrote:
Cipher7 (#91028) wrote:
I talked to a friend at school about this anime, he said "Haruka rejected Takayuki at the scene of the beach." My main question, what factors led to Takayuki ending up with Mitsuki? My original thought was that Takayuki WANTED to LEAVE hakura, but then again, my friend said haruka rejected takayuki at the end.


The way I see it, Narumi wanted to leave Haruka, but didn't know how she would feel or react about his decision. Haruka gave him her blessings (in effect, saying "Go, I'll be alright without you.")

Remember, Narumi is still guilt-ridden at that point in time regarding Haruka's accident and he seemed to feel that he had a responsibility to care for her and be with her, despite the fact that the woman he loved was Mitsuki.

From the moment Haruka woke up from her coma, right till the very last episode, it was all about resolving this issue of responsibility vs. love.


That is correct and I agree. Even Haruka did /slap Mitsuki and all that once she knew that Mitsuki actually loves Takayuki, but deep down inside, she still loves Mitsuki as a friend. After she slapped her and Mitsuki ran out of her room crying, she must have regretted it. And although how dumb Haruka is, she will be able to tell seeing Takayuki's facial expression that he doesn't love her anymore. She has realized, that it has been three years, and like she said, "It was a good dream that we are together. But now, I have woken up." She knows that Takayuki does not like her, yet, she doesn't want him to hate her. And she realizes that there is no point to continue their relationship. It won't work. And also, she might want to do something back for Mitsuki because she felt sorry that she slapped her. So that's why she told Takayuki "Let's say good bye to each other with a smile." ... so they are still friends. Well, at least that's how I see it.

I was actually quite happy seeing how Haruka ended up being an author for children's pictorial. Maybe that's why I didn't end up hating her. Right into Episode 10, I was about to place her in my Top five most hated anime characters .. but the excellent last episode changed my impression of Haruka. Laughing
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charn (#40191) wrote:

Next example, in Episode 5. If you are Takayuki, and Haruka was sleeping like a Sleeping Beauty in the hospital, and you have no interest in going to Arts festival anyway (Obviously, Takayuki has no interest in Arts Festival. Fact ?) Would you do something so idiotically unrealistic like what he did ? Takayuki carried Haruka (who was asleep) out of her room, and about to bring her to the Arts Festival. How soap-operaish is that ? Then when those nurses told him not to go, look how exaggerated he reacts. I'll describe in slow motion. He slowly kneels down on the floor, and starts crying and whining. Who on earth, apart from characters in soap opera, would react in such an exaggerated manner like that ?

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sometimes... depressed people tend to do some irrational stuffs... i've been through one of those depressed period... i talked to himself as if i was talking to "her"... i kept myself away from my friend and even from my family... i rather be alone during my lunchbreak at school... while at home, i rather be in my room and i only went out for school or to eat... and at one point, it went so bad that i even thought of suicide... took some pills but fortunately, something made me vomitted all those pills out... and it happens to me for almost one year... until i met her... she helped me and gave me support to move on... which remarkably i did and it took me less than 3 months to recover... *sigh* just so unfortunate that girl is no longer with me... oh well... but i guess now i'm much stronger than before... glad i didnt went back to the way i was before... Smile

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charn (#40191) wrote:

And although how dumb Haruka is, she will be able to tell seeing Takayuki's facial expression that he doesn't love her anymore. She has realized, that it has been three years, and like she said, "It was a good dream that we are together. But now, I have woken up." She knows that Takayuki does not like her, yet, she doesn't want him to hate her.



I believe Takayuki loved both Haruka and Mitsuki, but he had to put aside his feelings for Haruka in order to fulfill his obligations to Mitsuki.

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 Wow, this is going to be so late, but I just finished the anime....Ummm I guess I'm not one of those who favourite takayuki and mitsuki. I would have preferred it ended with takayuki and haruka because if you think about it, this is dumb. You stop caring and loving someone cause they got into an accident? like WTF? So basically, he just there for the sex. Crying or Very sad *sigh* (I know that mit. introduced her to him and stuff but still...If your not going to like her, just tell her from the beginning and none of the crap would of happened...) anyways, I always wanted to know what happened during the accident part because all we know is that she was hit by a car? and the next moment she was taken to the hospital?? Ummm...is it just me or did I see no car there? Was this like a hit and run situation? Rolling Eyes

When you hit someone and they get send to the hospital, that tells you that it is serious. The driver of the car didn't even go visit haruka at all, does he think it's alright to just hit someone and forget about it? or is he heartless? This made me conclude that this accident was set up...I mean, of all the bystander and people walking around, why was haruka the only one who got hit? I'm sure there were lots more people around her...

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SkyDragon (#96111) wrote:
because if you think about it, this is dumb. You stop caring and loving someone cause they got into an accident? like WTF? So basically, he just there for the sex. Crying or Very sad *sigh* (I know that mit. introduced her to him and stuff but still...If your not going to like her, just tell her from the beginning and none of the crap would of happened...) anyways, I always wanted to know what happened during the accident part because all we know is that she was hit by a car? and the next moment she was taken to the hospital?? Ummm...is it just me or did I see no car there? Was this like a hit and run situation?

When you hit someone and they get send to the hospital, that tells you that it is serious. The driver of the car didn't even go visit haruka at all, does he think it's alright to just hit someone and forget about it? or is he heartless? This made me conclude that this accident was set up...I mean, of all the bystander and people walking around, why was haruka the only one who got hit? I'm sure there were lots more people around her...


I miss the point here , the accident is irrevelent to the whole affair. Whether the guy who caused it died or ran away , nothing he did , nor how nor why , is of importance since the whole series is about Haruka-Takayuki-Mizuki and Shinji and Akane.

In fact it feels like Takayuki started dating Haruka not because he felt anything for her , but to see if it could engage seriously in a relationship, thus the hesitant dating-but-not-acting-like of the first episodes. When he decides to do it seriously , it is not because he start having feelings for Haruka but because he feels obliged to act so. The kissing and having sex is only "normal arousal" and standard devlopment of the relationship , so there's no "only for sex" anywhere to be seen.
When the drama gimmick (aka the accident ) occurs Takayuki is devastated because of the guilt he feels towards Haruka and not at her condition, furthered by the fact that he did not have real feelings towards her. It took Mizuki and all her love to make him "feel" enough so he could go on living.

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Crayok (#61592) wrote:

When he decides to do it seriously , it is not because he start having feelings for Haruka but because he feels obliged to act so. The kissing and having sex is only "normal arousal" and standard devlopment of the relationship , so there's no "only for sex" anywhere to be seen.
When the drama gimmick (aka the accident ) occurs Takayuki is devastated because of the guilt he feels towards Haruka and not at her condition, furthered by the fact that he did not have real feelings towards her. It took Mizuki and all her love to make him "feel" enough so he could go on living.


I think he does start having feelings for Haruka when he decides to start dating her seriously. What reason did he have to feel obliged to do it? He could have just ended it when he had the chance. After Mitsuki had that talk with him on the hill, he seriously starts taking a closer look at Haruka. When he confessed to her, he was disappointed when he misunderstood her reason for saying she didn't want to start over. And guilt alone wouldn't have been enough to caused Takayuki all that anguish. Remember all he went through during that whole time she was in a coma before Mitsuki came into the picture? You don't get dellusional and try taking a comatose person out of a hospital to go see an author out of guilt. Furthermore, you can see how intimate he gets with Haruka when he's with her at the hospital after she wakes up. Guilt doesn't make you go that far.

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 Re: Are you satisfied with the ending? *Spoilers*
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Hey people! I'm concerned about your opinions regarding the ending.
I have some thoughts in my mind but I would really like to hear from anyone who has something to say about it.

Are you satisfied with the ending? Yes or No?
If no, what should be the ending like?
If yes, state your opinion about it.

Thanks a lot!!!
The story book was way too long--should've lasted about 30 seconds and that's it. And I would have liked to see more Mitsuki. Without Mitsuki the show's not even worth watching. I think it should have shown the main guy wheeling and dealing in his new hotshot job, and Mitsuki making a resurgence into the Olympics with that young girl too by her side. Now that would've been ideal. Oh yeah and Haruka should have died early on. She was annoying.

Couple of other things, I think Shinji should have died for his sin (either at the main guy's hands or in some other way). That sin was straight up unacceptable. Mitsuki should've been slapped around a bit for it too. I just cannot get over it--as a guy that situation is too infuriating. I was fuming during that hotel scene, absolutely incensed. Definitely a Haruka death would've been good though, I was somewhat expecting it in the hospital actually.

Alternative ending would be for main guy to grow a spine and hook up with the nurse. I had my suspicions about that happening...but I would have been disappointed to see Mitsuki set adrift. There wasn't really any way to fulfill her destiny. Maybe kill her off too somehow? That blasted sin, it took away all of her appeal!

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That blasted sin, it took away all of her appeal!


Actually, to see her fall so hard and yet pick herself up again, that said a lot about her strength and character. Yes, it was a stupid mistake on her part, and Shinji was just &^&^%# to have done what he did. Still, I love Mitsuki, flawed or not.

You've got to admit, that plot twist was crucial to the story as it was a major turning point.
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 The end was kickass! Couldn't ask for more!

I just wished there could be more animes like this one.
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 Hmmm, Am I satisfied with the ending? YES and NO.

I'm not a fan of Haruka but I feel so sorry for her, she had an accident and went into a coma, and then after waking up from her long sleep she'll learn that the darn Takayuki is no longer hers. But I think it's better that way because Takayuki is an a** anyway, so she's better off without him.
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 Am I satisfied of the ending? NOPE. The ending could have been better. Infact - Takayuki (read: lame spineless ass) could have not gone into all the charade of being in love with Haruka in the first place.

People know my opinions on the series. I thought it was rather dumb - so it was a given that the ending was dumb as well. Razz But lets not get into this debate again - too much has already said on this series.
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 Nope!

I know this forum is ancient but I just finished watching this.

I've never experienced an ending that irritated me so much. It is a show, I know, so I'll just leave it at that. As the previous poster said, it's been analyzed to death.
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 Am I satisfied with the ending? Yes, of course.

The reason why it was so difficult for Takayuki was that there were more than enough reasons for either girl to be with him, and that the course of action and responses of both girls, given the situation, was all very understandable on a human level. The choice was very clear though, since high school romances realistically don't last, and should be considered a thing of the past. Takayuki and Haruka weren't that good as a couple anyway; their worlds are completely different. Their love rested on the very idea of being lovers; there was nothing concrete as a basis. In real life, it wouldn't last. You can't expect it to work on pure devotion alone.

But of course, the accident made everything complicated. In the beginning episodes, Haruka is merely a childish teenager who is bound to grow up and face reality someday; it's inevitable. But then, she is put through the whole three years of unconsciousness before the maturing process happens, and we end up with everybody moving on with life except for her. In her case, it couldn't be helped, and I think understanding that point, that Haruka's greatest problem wasn't losing Takayuki, but rather becoming an adult with the mindset of an early teenager, is rather important. From that point on, her main emotional struggle is with growing up and throwing away old memories which included Takayuki and in the end, she triumphs, so I consider it a happy ending for her. One thing that amaze me about this anime is that from the moment Mitsuki confessed her love for Takayuki, you can basically predict how bad the situation will become since all the presets are there - you can tell how bad it's going to be, but you wouldn't know exactly what will happen, and that's what keeps you wanting to suffer through the sadness.

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 I was actually quite satisfied with the ending of the anime. It was a good ending, I felt it should have been this way instead of Hakura and Narumi together. I mean, Narumi and Mitsuki went through so much together, while Hakura, well it would have been a little difficult for her and Narumi to be together I think, its true she was in coma for only 3 years. But those three years that represent the passage from teenage to adulthood have much difference. I just don't believe it would have worked between the two of them, I mean Hakura is such a shy and innocent girl, she's really passive; quite like Narumi, which I don't believe would have made a good match. Narumi whose also very passive needs someone like Mitsuki to keep him in line, or in check with reality if you will (After Hakura fell into coma Narumi was depressed all the time, really, a shell of a man without a soul. He needed someone as aggressive and 'pushy', as mentioned above, as Mitsuki to keep him alive).
The reason that Narumi and Mitsuki weren't present in Hakura's dismissal ceremony is that Narumi said he would never meet Hakura again (last episode when Narumi and Mitsuki standing on the hill).

Overall, I really liked the ending, though the anime was one of the best I've seen so far, it didn't leave any deep emotions within me (Not as much as Elfen Lied did anyway).

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I thought the ending was perfect. personaly, it couldn't have gotten any better it was so emotional[/code]

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 I have no big quarrels about the ending but I wish Haruka and Narumi stayed together. I never really cared for Mitsuki. Putting that aside, I liked the ending. It gave the anime closure, though it was a bit rushed.

This was a great anime. I am happy i watched it.

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AO (#120184) wrote:
... but I wish Haruka and Narumi stayed together.


Now, that's what I call a recipe for marital disaster. Staying together out of sympathy or guilt, trying to make it up to the other, is not going to work out. And I'm bloody sure Narumi no longer had those kinds of feelings for Haruka.

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I never really cared for Mitsuki.


Well, I can't really say much about this. Each to his own. But I've always respected someone like Mitsuki, for her strength of character and devotion to her one love.
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Now, that's what I call a recipe for marital disaster. Staying together out of sympathy or guilt, trying to make it up to the other, is not going to work out.


Lol very true. All I am saying is i feel for Haruka. I am viewing this from her point of view and she is getting the shaft. Sad

Also, this is an anime, not reality so my opinion on the ending is neither "right "nor "wrong". It was blatantly obvious that Haruka was not going to get picked so i kind of gravitated for her out of sympathy, I guess. Obviously, a marriage in real like based on those terms is a recipe for disaster, however, this is not the real world, but anime. It can and is manipulated by the creator. The ending could have easily been that he notices he really liked Haruka and not Mitsuki and stayed with her. Like you said: to each his own.

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Well, I can't really say much about this. Each to his own. But I've always respected someone like Mitsuki, for her strength of character and devotion to her one love.


Couldn't you say the same thing for Haruka? Sure she did not suffer as much because he chose her, however, she also was very devoted to her love for him. I usually like the girl who has always (from the beginning) liked him but usually never gets him. In this case we had two. I preferred Haruka.

Sorry for being so argumentative. I've been studying law all day and this is my only outlet and I still seem to be "arguing".

Anyways, this is my "2" cents.

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AO (#120184) wrote:
Couldn't you say the same thing for Haruka? Sure she did not suffer as much because he chose her, however, she also was very devoted to her love for him. I usually like the girl who has always (from the beginning) liked him but usually never gets him. In this case we had two. I preferred Haruka.

Sorry for being so argumentative. I've been studying law all day and this is my only outlet and I still seem to be "arguing".

Anyways, this is my "2" cents.


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Actually, Mitsuki liked Narumi first but decided to be the "best friend" and gave up on him so Haruka would have a chance.


Chill, no problems. As long as it doesn't turn into a flame war, I'm cool with how you express yourself. You have a very mature, objective style which I like. Well, if you're studying law, you can't be very young anyway. Laughing
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Ken Hayashi (#52012) wrote:
Well, I can't really say much about this. Each to his own. But I've always respected someone like Mitsuki, for her strength of character and devotion to her one love.


Ah, I didn't really see this before now. I liked Mitsuki for her devotion to Takayuki, and some other parts of her personality as well, but the part I didn't really like about her character was *spoiler*:

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The fact she slept with Shinji at the love motel; I'll admit she really wasn't in a position to make a smarter decision, but I felt something about that scene rather put Mitsuki in a bad light in some modes. She, of course, really felt guilty about it afterwards, and I think she just needed love and attention, and Takayuki wasn't giving her that. *grr*


Haruka is more of a passive character than Mitsuki, but I liked her, and I liked the change in her as well towards the end of the series. Considering this is based on a game- the possibilty could have ended up in either direction, but the anime chose Mitsuki. I'm not sure what the ending would have portrayed as Haruka's ending, but I think Mitsuki probably would have been the most devastated.
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 Just finished watching.

I think Mitsuki's feelings were already clearly apparent by the end of episode 2, and I'd already pegged them as a couple by the end of the first episode. (On the basis that the 'lead' male and female characters are most likely to end up together.) There were a couple of moments when I thought that I might be wrong, but, well...

In the end, there was only one possible "happy" ending, and that's how it had to turn out. Takayuki had too much time pass without Haruka. It MIGHT be possible for them to be happy together, but it would be damned hard, they'd be in constant mis-step with each other. After all, there would now be a period of 3 years (Rather signifigant years to a 20-21 year old) where she wasn't there. It would create awkwardness that would be really difficult to get around.

If the girl that I loved when I was 17 was unconcious for 3 years, then woke up... I would have waited, that's who I was then. (Probably still am now, I haven't gotten any smarter.) Thinking on it now though, I also know that it'd have been a disaster.

Haruka was definitely right. What Takayuki needed was closure. "Permission" to move on with his life. In that way, the ending was sad. It was, however, the best for everyone. I was satisfied.
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SupraGuy (#92823) wrote:
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One thing which bugged me about Takayuki since ep 1: Did he love her or not? To me, he was always more interested in Mitsuki than Haruka, but since Mitsuki wasn't available, it was like "oh well, let's go with whatever's available". As for his state of devastation after the accident, I'd say it was more because he felt guilty than for loving her. Not to mention he nearly screwed her, the bastard!

My perfect ending: Takoyaki and filling sees Haruka on TV with a real man who's got better looks, more wealth, and more devotion than fish face.
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 I can see where you're coming from. I think it was less clear than it shoud have been. I didn't think he was interested in Mitsuki so much at that point. I think his wondering if Mitsuki was going to confess to him on the hilltop seemed more like a "If she does that, what do I do?" than "that would be great if..."

I choose to see it as he actually did fall in love with Haruka. His initial reaction of "I'm not sure" seemed to me to be honest, so I don't think he'd have told her that he loved her if he didn't mean it.
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 Really? When I saw the first ep, it seemed very clear to me. He was looking more at Mitsuki. In fact, during that first 'meeting' scene, I don't think Taiyaki even noticed Haruka standing there.

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 wow, the ending pissed me off

mitsuki did not deserve narumi. i guess i didn't like narumi all that much by the end but i REALLY hated mitsuki at the end. ZERO sympathy for her character by the end.


i was hoping for her to get hit by a bus.

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