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hakkai (#25024)
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 Japan...

i know that almost every one who likes anime want to visit Japan atleast once in their life time(if you r not already living there). i really really want to go to Japan too. last night i was watchin techtv and they were showing wired for sex(dont get any wrong ideas). this segment was on Japan. those stupid people couldn't event pronounce manga. and they said that all manga was porn. on top of that they mistook manga for anime.

now for some facts(that i learned last night):
-japanes people can have a sextual relationship with another person even if they are married(as long as they pay for it with money and not love)
-men are usually the ones who pay
-japanese males prefer smaller women than regular women("manga")

i'm cant tell if all of this(the facts that are listed) are true or not because they screwed up on the manga part so that stuff might not be entirely true.

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that's interesting that prostitution would be legal in Japan. Although I'm completely sure on how it is punished in the US. However, I think it is outlawed in the US to reduce other criminal acts.

The women in Japan seem to be smaller than most other country's women so I'm not sure the men have much choice. Personally, I don't care whether they're smaller or taller or which country they come from.
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I think that prostitution is only legal in parts of Japan. Also, Japan has had a lot of problems with child/teenaged prostitution (they have an article about this in the New York Times). Here, in the U.S., prostitution is illegal except for this one county outside of Las Vegas. It's usually punished by little or no jail time and the prostitutes get in trouble more often than the men do (typical!). I'm going to look into that thing about Japanese people having sex outside of their marriage and it being okay. I know that was practiced about one to two hundred years ago, but I've gotten the impression that that practice is now frowned upon. But I don't know for sure.

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hakkai (#25024)
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Animal4890 (#469) wrote:
The women in Japan seem to be smaller than most other country's women so I'm not sure the men have much choice.



yes that is true but i meant smaller than a average Japanese woman. like a 16 or 17 year old girl.

MissFordFocus (#22950) wrote:
I'm going to look into that thing about Japanese people having sex outside of their marriage and it being okay. I know that was practiced about one to two hundred years ago, but I've gotten the impression that that practice is now frowned upon. But I don't know for sure.


on the show they showed a man and a woman(Japanese) who were at a love hotel although they were both married. the narrater person also said that they dont go to love hotels to solely have sex. only 1/3 of the people who go there do. the other people go there to just have some fun. they like to play games, eat, sit down and talk. kinda like a vacation from your spouce(sp). and after they are married and the femails have kids, the mother's husband looks at her only as a mother and a wife. although she can have a relationship with another man. but if she falls in love with him. lets just say that's not good. but if you are really gonna research about this, then i would love read it. Smile

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hakkai (#25024) wrote:
on the show they showed a man and a woman(Japanese) who were at a love hotel although they were both married. the narrater person also said that they dont go to love hotels to solely have sex. only 1/3 of the people who go there do. the other people go there to just have some fun. they like to play games, eat, sit down and talk. kinda like a vacation from your spouce(sp). and after they are married and the femails have kids, the mother's husband looks at her only as a mother and a wife. although she can have a relationship with another man. but if she falls in love with him. lets just say that's not good. but if you are really gonna research about this, then i would love read it. Smile

wow, that's very interesting. It's nice to hear ideas that are outside this conservative Christian box I'm stuck in.

The idea of "going out to play" seems like it might work and could possibly reduce both the divorce rate and homicide due to adultery in America.
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If/when I get married and my husband ever "went out to play"...let's just say I'd be doing jail time. Think Lorena Bobbit Twisted Evil . By the way, I happen to like my "Christian box" (though, my box might not be as "conservative" as yours Wink ).

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any way i'd like to go.
alwase have, 90% sure im going with a m8 at the end of my degree.

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hakkai (#25024)
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Maggy (#23447) wrote:
any way i'd like to go.


yup i wanna go too Very Happy

Animal4890 (#469) wrote:
Christian box I'm stuck in


i'm not Christian. i'm a Muslim. but my religion has almost the same ideas about marriage. but this is not about religion. this is about the culture and way people think in Japan. about 30% of people living in Japan are Christians.

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Animal4890 (#469)
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hakkai (#25024) wrote:
Maggy (#23447) wrote:
any way i'd like to go.


yup i wanna go too Very Happy

Animal4890 (#469) wrote:
Christian box I'm stuck in


i'm not Christian. i'm a Muslim. but my religion has almost the same ideas about marriage. but this is not about religion. this is about the culture and way people think in Japan. about 30% of people living in Japan are Christians.

culture is partly formed by religion. Culture is how people live and religion is usually a guide for one's life.
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MissFordFocus (#22950) wrote:
If/when I get married and my husband ever "went out to play"...let's just say I'd be doing jail time. Think Lorena Bobbit Twisted Evil . By the way, I happen to like my "Christian box" (though, my box might not be as "conservative" as yours Wink ).





oooooohhhh now i get it!

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hakkai (#25024)
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Animal4890 (#469) wrote:
hakkai (#25024) wrote:
Maggy (#23447) wrote:
any way i'd like to go.


yup i wanna go too Very Happy

Animal4890 (#469) wrote:
Christian box I'm stuck in


i'm not Christian. i'm a Muslim. but my religion has almost the same ideas about marriage. but this is not about religion. this is about the culture and way people think in Japan. about 30% of people living in Japan are Christians.

culture is partly formed by religion. Culture is how people live and religion is usually a guide for one's life.



come to think of it you are right. but there are othere things that can shape culture. like how much contact they have with the othere parts of the world. i know Japan kept itself isolated for a long time but it finally opened to Americas/Europeans. the point i'm tring to make is that when Japanes males saw how other females looked(that are not east asian) they were probably attracted to them. i know that the Europeans were Christians. but then again they decided which femails to capture and ship to America but the size of their brests(discovery channel). so the ideas passed on and then the Japanese probably started thinking that way and finally their culture started changing into what we know today.

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MissFordFocus (#22950) wrote:
If/when I get married and my husband ever "went out to play"...let's just say I'd be doing jail time. Think Lorena Bobbit Twisted Evil . By the way, I happen to like my "Christian box" (though, my box might not be as "conservative" as yours Wink ).

I am going to have to second that Wink ..and I really disagree about that solving the problem of divorce....I mean people usually get divorced cause they dont or never did love the person they were with..going and "playing" with someone else would not heal that in anyway. Seems to me it would only cause more pain to the spouse of that person, but if anyone could explain some logical explination on how that would work then I would certainly be glad to hear it.
P.S Yes, I am an idealist and proud of it!

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I'm assuming you're refering back to the idea of "going out to play" BladeAngel. Here's a bit of reasoning I just thought of:

Although, I'm not familiar with Japanese culture I do know enough of Western history to know that we've nearly always had a patriachal society. This society usually says that when wed a man owns the woman. Today, society is changing to where women are being seen as equals to men. I do not think this changes the "ownership" quality that is included with being married. However, today the ownership is equal in that the woman "owns" the man she marries and vise-versa. This ownership is usually fairly intimate to the point where a spouse considers their partner to be not just their property but also a part of their self. With this all said, if one's spouse goes and cheats on you it's similar to having your right hand stab yourself in your own back. Now, if one heals from being stabbed you usually don't let it happen again, so you cut off that hand.

What I'm getting at is that I think the mentality of marriage participants today in the Western world are not suitable to allow their spouse's to "go out and play". It may be too much to consider now, but I think a mentality that would be more suitable in marriage would be one of trust and love. Trust, in that no matter what a person does outside a marriage, that they will always return to you and love, in that your spouse will love you more than any other. So, if your partner wants to "play" outside and long as it is mutual then it could be possible.
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Animal4890 (#469) wrote:
I'm assuming you're refering back to the idea of "going out to play" BladeAngel. Here's a bit of reasoning I just thought of:

Although, I'm not familiar with Japanese culture I do know enough of Western history to know that we've nearly always had a patriachal society. This society usually says that when wed a man owns the woman. Today, society is changing to where women are being seen as equals to men. I do not think this changes the "ownership" quality that is included with being married. However, today the ownership is equal in that the woman "owns" the man she marries and vise-versa. This ownership is usually fairly intimate to the point where a spouse considers their partner to be not just their property but also a part of their self. With this all said, if one's spouse goes and cheats on you it's similar to having your right hand stab yourself in your own back. Now, if one heals from being stabbed you usually don't let it happen again, so you cut off that hand.

What I'm getting at is that I think the mentality of marriage participants today in the Western world are not suitable to allow their spouse's to "go out and play". It may be too much to consider now, but I think a mentality that would be more suitable in marriage would be one of trust and love. Trust, in that no matter what a person does outside a marriage, that they will always return to you and love, in that your spouse will love you more than any other. So, if your partner wants to "play" outside and long as it is mutual then it could be possible.


Well I agree with the first statement you made about marriage and that the two people should have that love and trust for eachother, but my question is this...when 2 people love eachother that much why would they want to go and "play" with someone else. When I have been in such situations I just wanted to spend time witht the person I loved and didnt require a "break". Not that I have ever been married, I am only 19 after all. So I really do agree with you Animal, for the most part, but I dont see the use for a spouse going to another person to get away when they have such a close bonded relationship with their partner, do you?
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hakkai (#25024)
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sorry i didn't post for a while

ok i kinda agree with you bladeangle but your thinking and the way japanese people think about marriage are not the same. remember they dont go with someone else to get a break from their spouse. they still love the person they married, but after the wife has a babe. she is looked apon as a mother nothing else. so now the husband can go out with someone else to have fun and stuff(not sure if the wife can) but he cant start loving that person. if he does.......well lets just say it not good.

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BladeAngel (#26692) wrote:

Well I agree with the first statement you made about marriage and that the two people should have that love and trust for eachother, but my question is this...when 2 people love eachother that much why would they want to go and "play" with someone else. When I have been in such situations I just wanted to spend time witht the person I loved and didnt require a "break". Not that I have ever been married, I am only 19 after all. So I really do agree with you Animal, for the most part, but I dont see the use for a spouse going to another person to get away when they have such a close bonded relationship with their partner, do you?

I never mentioned a need for a break in the relationship. I was mostly just explaining why I think the mentality of a Westerner would not suit this "go out and play" idea. We are very bent on the idea of one partner and no other.

Most everyone has their "social rings" which can be visualized as a target. The further someone you relate to is placed inside the target, the more intimately you confide in that person. The center circle is either for your best friend or your partner. If you are a married heterosexual, it's rare for you to have a friendship with the opposite sex that's even close to the center ring. Now, does that represent lack of trust or just a standard set by society, usually inferred as a relationship responsibility?
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hakkai (#25024) wrote:
sorry i didn't post for a while

ok i kinda agree with you bladeangle but your thinking and the way japanese people think about marriage are not the same. remember they dont go with someone else to get a break from their spouse. they still love the person they married, but after the wife has a babe. she is looked apon as a mother nothing else. so now the husband can go out with someone else to have fun and stuff(not sure if the wife can) but he cant start loving that person. if he does.......well lets just say it not good.

Yes, I dont pretend to have an opinion on what should be done in Japanese culture, rather our discussion/debate was on bringing that idea to the U.S. When I get to go to Japan I will be able to form an opinion better on that. For now I was only focusing on how I dont believe that a person should want to be with anyone else other than the one they love (that is to say that they truly love their spouse which gives cause for futher speculation) but in an ideal case of a married couple loving one another, I dont see how this is possible. I will say one thing LOVE is LOVE no matter what part of the world you go to...so your saying that alot of Japanese marriages have no love or atleast the sort of love that would keep the man bonded without needing someone else to fufill a new area of his life that allows him to have "fun"? Hmm...This is messed up. The idea of culture vs. "the heart" have always contradicted one another in societies all around the world it makes my belief in the world dwindle daily *sighs* Anyhow I think i have talked anough on this subject...sorry for going on like this.
P.S Sorry, Hakkai, if my previous post was misleading and Animal as you can see we both have the same idea on this I believe.

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the people they go out and "play" with(in most cases) are people they dont even know. the women find out about the male by calling on them to find out what kind of a person he is. if they dont like him, they dont show up at the place they were supposed to meet. so here the women have the choice of either showing up or not showing up. so if the female feels like she is cheating on her spouce if she goes out she can choose not to. or vice-versa. i hope u can see what i'm trying to get at. yes love is love where ever u are. but love also depends on the persons thinking. like a son would love his mother in a respecting way and his wife in a romantic way. and as u might have heard "if u love somethin u let it free"(or something). i guess this is what they are doing. if they want anothere relationship(as long as it doesnt envolve love an opposite sex othere than their spouse) they can go right ahead and have one. but they STILL LOVE THEIR SPOUSE(sp). if they dont(like i said before) it is not good.

ps. bladeangel u do have a point

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What I think you are missing, bladeangle, is that the Japanese have seperated love and sex. Sex is just an enjoyment, not an act of love. Like if you get married and go out and play tennis(not the best example but you get my point) with someone of the opposite sex, you are not cheating on your spouce. So you see, by having sex with someone that's not your spouce, you are just doing it for fun. If you like something sexual, but your spouce does not, this is just a way to enjoy it.

That's my 2 cents.

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I did a project for my speech class on the Japanese educational system, and i discovered a few other things too.. IIRC, prostitution in japan is no longer legal, but they do have massage houses in things called "water districts" if i am remembering that right.. not to sure any more. I am pretty sure that its not legal, but i am sure that it still goes on.. I just cant remember.. Nor do i remember the reason why it became illegal, but i think its because the Japanese felt "embarrassed" and "behind" other cultures.. IIRC, thats why they made it illegal.. then again i am not to sure about this stuff so dont quote me on it..

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Yeah, I remember hearing about the water districts. It's were you pay to get messaged by women. Naked women, who rube the massage oil on their bodies then rube themselves on you.

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Kazekage (#27895) wrote:
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It's were you pay to get messaged by women. Naked women, who rube the massage oil on their bodies then rube themselves on you.

that sounds reasonable enough Smile
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Kazekage (#27895) wrote:
What I think you are missing, bladeangle, is that the Japanese have seperated love and sex. Sex is just an enjoyment, not an act of love. Like if you get married and go out and play tennis(not the best example but you get my point) with someone of the opposite sex, you are not cheating on your spouce. So you see, by having sex with someone that's not your spouce, you are just doing it for fun. If you like something sexual, but your spouce does not, this is just a way to enjoy it.

That's my 2 cents.


couldn't have put it better myself Smile......


Kazekage (#27895) wrote:
Yeah, I remember hearing about the water districts. It's were you pay to get messaged by women. Naked women, who rube the massage oil on their bodies then rube themselves on you.


oooookkkkkkkk...now i officially know too much...

anyaways....i saw this thing on Ripley's Beleave(sp) it or not about this restraunt where they have buffets(sp) where instead of placing food on the tabels, it's placed on women....naked women... but i'm not sure where it's done.

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hakkai (#25024) wrote:
anyaways....i saw this thing on Ripley's Beleave(sp) it or not about this restraunt where they have buffets(sp) where instead of placing food on the tabels, it's placed on women....naked women... but i'm not sure where it's done.


Yeah that's awesome! It's usually done at private parties for rich people that want to do something different. (rich people can be odd sometimes) It is supposed to be a lot of fun eating food off a live model, and they are done quite well.

Well thats 2 people that heard something about water districts so hmm.. I imagine something like that goes on there.. I wish I could go someday.

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I'm going over there in 2005 as an extange student. I can't wait! Water district here I come(just kidding)!

Rich people do do some weird stuff. To much money I guess.

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yep they are wierd......they waste 100's of 1000's of $$$$ on yarts and stuff that sits in there garage or whatever getting cleaned by some maid person. they could just donate that money to people.....people like me Wink

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Hey, don't be greedy. I want some too.

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I wrote another huge post to further show you all what I meant and about sex but, I earased it when I came to the conclusion that I am wasteing my time trying to explain myself further. This is the reason I havent responded since my last post. I was hopig this subject had ended. I guess I was just trying to "agree to disagree".So this is my last post on this issue.
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Kazekage (#27895) wrote:
Hey, don't be greedy. I want some too.



LOL Laughing. but i get more because i brought it up.

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Fine. How's 60-40?

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Who get's 60? i really need that money... Crying or Very sad....................... Laughing

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You get 60, you said you got more. And I need the money.

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you know what kazekage, i just realized that no one both of us want to even post on these thered anymore.....you/I/we have two options.......either we let it stay like this and no one else posts or we can change the topic into something entertaining like the movie that's gonna promire on MTV today: Volcanoe High. sounds/looks pretty cool. doesn't it?

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A friend of mine just told me about it.. i have no clue what its about though.. i probably wont watch it.. i got so much crap to do around here .. like clean..

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I have a habbit of posting on a board in one spree, then forgeting about it and never coming back. This board, however, I have succefully come back to. Weee! That's good news by the way.

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Kazekage (#27895) wrote:
I have a habbit of posting on a board in one spree, then forgeting about it and never coming back. This board, however, I have succefully come back to. Weee! That's good news by the way.

someone told me once, "some things are better left unsaid." Smile
On the other hand, welcome back ^^
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Thanks. I think it was fine to say that, it just shows that this board has kept my intrest. Here this will help put things in perspective, I've posted on atleast 100 boards, but I've only posted regularly on 2(including this one). My sprees usualy only last 1 to 3 days, then I stop checking back, and forget about it.

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