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Coop (#65287) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 20

No!!!!!!!! Trailer Posted -- horrible dub

**Posted:** Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:41 pm

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It isn't that bad....you really can't tell what it's going to be like with only a 30 second clip (not even that long). Give it a chance and don't be so quick to jump to conclusions. Granted I know how people feel about dubbing in general, but it's not good to be prejudgemental.

**Posted:** Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:13 pm

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**Posted:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:45 am

Ch1pPy™ (#106014) · AnimeNfo Juggernaut Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 2722

Wow that 30 sec trailer gave away the story already. How stupid, lol.

Anyway, that gave me goose bumps, save yourself, don't watch dubs.

**Posted:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:56 am

zitch (#80114)

rosepetals is right, though. There isn't enough here to proclaim it "horrible". Hell, that 30 seconds spot is far from the worst dubbing I've heard... Wink

**Posted:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:10 am

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LoStSouLs (#17272)

I agree that the dub from the trailer is terrible. I really do miss the days when you could get subbed only vhs's. But most anime viewers no longer buy dvds for the dubb. Heck i cant even remember the last anime i tried to watch in english lol.

**Posted:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:10 pm

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Squid (#86437)

o god... who ever did harukas voice really sucked... the only thing that made it feel ok was that they tried there best dubbing (i hope)

**Posted:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:40 pm

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Heh heh heh, what's new? Dubs are bad? Yeah, they usually are.

Which is why I never watch duds (err... dubs), if possible. But without having heard the dub (actually I don't want to), I can't compare it to the few others I've heard.

**Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:56 am

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Bah, dubs are there just to be "marketable" to the mass media. Can't blame them, they're just making money. Hey, at least you'd have the option to hear it on Japanese audio unlike television.

IMO, the dubbing was mediocre really, not as good as Cowboy Bebop's but certainly isn't bad like hentai-dubbed bad more or less.

**Posted:** Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:02 am

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Coop (#65287) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 20

The only time I watch anything dubbed is when I'm watching with friends (yes, an anime fan with friends) and they don't like subs. I'd like to share one of my favorite animes with them without having to listen to that terrible voice.

**Posted:** Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:30 am

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Honestly, considering the level of fan I am of this show, the dub isn't anywhere near horrible. It's actually pretty fitting to the characters, even Mitsuki's and Shinji's voices are pretty spot-on.

For anyone who cares, FUNi updated the site and you can watch the first episode on it to get a better feel of the voices. And like I said, I'm not disappointed with the major characters.

I won't get into an argument here about how many anime I've seen to gauge this on, but suffice to say that I've seen plenty through the golden-years of bad dubbing and KimiNozo's dubbing is far, far, FAR from it.

**Posted:** Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:35 am

Coop (#65287) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 20

I check the website again and you're right. The voices aren't AS bad as I first thought. I think it was just Haruka's rediculously cheesey voice on the trailer which bothered me the most....but it's still a bad dub. When will these silly companies realize the importance of casting....and acting.

I'd pay more money for a better voiced anime. No second thoughts.

**Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:27 am

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**Posted:** Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:29 am

Coop (#65287) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 20

Guess so. I've seen about 2 or 3 good dubs. The rest....well, you know. So unless a new company with some insight gets a clue, you're right, I'm beyond help.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:08 am

DarkCntry (#45489)

You must be new to anime as a whole then, otherwise if you've been in anime for a while you'd know that the dubs produced today by any respectable company aren't 'bad' and if you think it's the worst you've ever heard, it only reinforces my assumption of your relative young insight to anime.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:50 pm

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**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:45 am

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**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:56 am

Coop (#65287) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 20

Thanks Chippy. I don't know why someone on this board would feel the need to attack my anime insight, but it doesn't bother me.
I am not new to anime. I have been watching anime for about eight years. I'm an art/film student and I've seen dozens of animes as well as hundreds of films, domestic and foreign.
In my opinion almost all anime titles have bad English dubs, even the ones from "respectable" companies. Simply stated, the actors, producers, and directors involved are not of the same caliber as those who work in US or foreign film and television.

**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:04 am

Ch1pPy™ (#106014) · AnimeNfo Juggernaut Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 2722

Ohh I'm sorry sir, I don't really watch dubs, because like that "thing" above, they're just bad...

Bad.

Also, if you didn't want an opposing opinion to your opinion, might I have suggested not posting on a public forum?

Ok Plutos, jokes over before the mods gets here.

**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:05 am

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As I said, you come in with the preconceived notion that dubs are bad, that's fine...but stop imparting your opinion using this notion to blanket-statement such things as this.

As for you Coop, your 8 years is nothing, try going on 20 and then we can talk about having such an insight. Also, just because you're a student of the arts doesn't mean you have some super-insight that I wouldn't.

The fact remains, unless you've watched every anime licensed and released and the dubs in them, you have a small leg to stand on. Outside of that, I don't have a problem with the opinions as long as they are impartial, which it's apparent yours is not.

But hey, if you wish to grasp onto the archaic and totally stupid elitist notion that all dubs are bad, go right ahead...I won't stop you. I will, however, stop you from trying to tell others that something is bad in your opinion based upon your bias.

**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:18 am

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**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:20 am

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**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:21 am

charn (#40191) · AnimeNfo Juggernaut Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 3420

If you don't like dubs, then don't watch it dubbed. Watch it subbed. Period. There is an option in the DVD that you can choose either Japanese voice or English voice ... you know ? Don't discourage others not to buy KGNE DVDs just because the dubs sucked. I have not listened to it, but then I don't watch any of my R1 or R4 (or even R3 for that matter) DVDs dubbed anyway. I was contemplating to buy the R4 boxset of Ulysses 31 (which is another good titles from the 80s), but then when I found out that there is no Japanese voice (only English) .. I decided not to buy it.

If I were to buy KGNE DVDs, I won't care about the dub. There is no reason why I should watch it in English voice given that the Japanese voice is better, you know ?

So the solution to your situation is ... buy the DVD. Then choose 'Japanese voice with English subtitles' option when you are about to start watching. Then sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Problem solved. Plain and ... simple Wink

**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:45 am

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**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:53 am

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**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:39 am

Rosepetals (#42525)

Guys, chill....

I think that you each have the right to have your respective opinions, and I can understand where Coop is coming from in terms of not having a preference towards dubbed series, that's his right, and it's Ch1ppy right as well. If anything, if you have a prefered language to watch your anime and you're still supporting the industry, great and all the blessings to you. But I'm a bit in the same boat with the idea that it's not good to proclaim all dubs as "horrible" and cover them with a blanket statement to not watch them "just because."

Now if it just boils down to this specific case, it's simply a matter of subjective opinion. There's really no necessity for (and no tolerance toward) flaming here.

No more of this guys...seriously. I can sense some buttons being pushed here and it's geting to the point where it's too much.

On topic: I watched three of the five episodes featured on Funimation's site, and truth be told, I find that I don't mind the dub at all. Perhaps it's because I haven't seen KGNE in a while, so I can't directly compare it to the sub, and perhaps because I don't mind watching dub/subs either way (unless it's Love Hina >_<), but that's just a personal preference.

**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:40 am

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Stick (#5576)

this has to take the prize for the saddest flame war on here ever.

but as rose stated in her post, keep it civil, and if you can't, get lost.

**Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:18 am

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Coop (#65287) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 20

I guess I'll add it to my trophy case and move on.
Thanks.

**Posted:** Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:35 am

Sai (#94630) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

I don't really have any opinion on the dub it self but it so irks me how they keep incorrectly pronounce Mitsuki's name. I didn't watch long enough but they probably botched most of the other names too.

**Posted:** Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:48 pm

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**Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:41 am

Sai (#94630) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

They pronounce the "Mi" in Mitsuki like "mi" in mint. It's supposed to be like the "me" in meat. I'd bet anything they pronounce the "ru" in Haruka like the "ru" in ruler and the "shi" in Shinji is pronounced like the "shi" in shins.

**Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:05 am

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**Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:12 am

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Sai (#94630) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

Doesn't change the fact that it irks me Wink

**Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:37 pm

zitch (#80114)

It's only fair... The Japanese tend to butcher English names... Wink

**Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:09 pm

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**Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:11 pm

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**Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:15 pm

DarkCntry (#45489)

Just checked the original language, it's pronounced 'mit-ski'. That's how it is pronounced in the English dub and in the game, so I still fail to see where it's mispronounced.

And with the rest, yes, they are pronounced how you state, which are mirror exacts to how they are in the Japanese version and the game.

**Posted:** Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:38 pm

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**Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:06 am

Sai (#94630) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

@Sai

Huh? You mean it should be pronounced as "Metsuki" and "Shenji"? Err... that's just wrong...[/quote]

Yeah, although the "u" in Mitsuki is barely audible if at all.

**Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:09 am

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**Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:34 am

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**Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:09 pm

Sai (#94630) · AnimeNfo Peasant Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 20

In that case I guess you just can't tell the difference but the original and the dub do indeed pronounce the names differently. As naoXolo said, the dub uses the "Englishfied" pronounciation. I only listened to the first two or three miniutes so unless they suddenly changed the way they pronounced the names, the dub is saying "Mitsuki" and the original is saying "Metski". That might not have made much sence without all the pronounciation sysmbols.

**Posted:** Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:15 am

Ken Hayashi (#52012)

Just be thankful the English-speaking dudes didn't call her "Mit-Su-Ki". That would be just horrible.

It's quite common that when native Japanese speakers speak really quickly, "Mitsuki" sorta sounds like "Mitski".

**Posted:** Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:02 am

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