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[spunibard (#123686)]

 is the dub as emotional as the sub? *spoilers*

[M (#118794)]

http://www.animenfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11905

Maybe this thread might answer your question. Not certain though as it's just a trailer.

[spunibard (#123686)]

yeah, i saw that, but was hoping to get someone(s) who had seen the whole thing both ways. especially since that thread had such mixed opinions, and they seemed to be talking about seeing only a single ep at most.

[Collin3002 (#123660)]

Well, based on my opinion, I think that dub isn't as emotional as sub. Let's say you are watching an subtitled anime, and you can hear the original seiyuu talking whilst reading the sub, this will allow the reader to feel what the characters feel and on the other hand, if you change the voice of the character to suite your language, well you feel like you are watching something which isn't original and therefore you can't experience the true effect of the anime.

This is what I think of sub and dub

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

Dubs are not natural. They very seldom sound nice. I don't have to have watched the English dub to tell you that you can't expect the same tonal quality as the sub. Words get changed to match lip flaps, thus resulting in small but perceptible changes to the context of the dialogue. Not to mention sometimes cultural differences mean that an English speaking person may react differently to certain situations and that person's tone reflects that difference. You can have a Japanese seiyuu sounding very hysterical and the English voice actor sounding rather bemused, both reacting to the same situation happening to his/her character.

Dubs never work. Trust me.

[bloodyrain (#114484)]

[Steve (#127459)]

Dubs are not ALWAYS bad, they're just USUALLY bad. Various problems crop up, like matching words to lip flaps. This is absurd since in many cases the Japanese dialogue doesn't fit the lip flaps either. It also kills the emotion or humor because unless it's translated really well and creatively, the timing of the line in English will not fit the Japanese. They feel the need to match high squeeky obnoxious voices with equally high squeeky obnoxious voices, which somehow become even more obnoxious in English. Humor is difficult to translate, Azumanga Daioh goes from being hilarious in Japanese to being annoying in English. My biggest complaint is that Kansai dialects get turned into southern dialects, it makes no sense whatsoever.

That said, some dubs actually improve a show. A scene that was only a little funny in Japanese is given a new twist to make it funnier, typically this happens with good one-liners since there aren't a lot of lip flaps. Some of the best dubbing I've heard is Kyon in The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi because he's not bound by lip flaps he can just speak in naturally flowing English. The more recent dubs done by Disney of the Studio Ghibli movies are amazing, because they put more effort into making it work. Most dubs though are done in a quick, sloppy manner to meet a deadline and end up ruining the enjoyability of the show.

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

[Ken Hayashi (#52012)]

Erm, Supra, you made it look like I was the one who made that statement.

Misquote!!!

The Japanese title translates to (IIRC) "The eternity you wished for". "Kimi" = "you". "Nozomu" = "wish". "Eien" = "eternity" or "forever".

I may have seen the dubs for KGNE on TV. I can't remember if they showed it on TV in "dual sound" or not because I wasn't in the mood to watch something like this one more time, but I did watch a few of the "less traumatic" episodes on TV and I may have watched them dubbed.

In general, my experience with dubs has been utterly disapppointing, particularly in the area of accuracy in the translations. There are a few exceptions to the rule, but generally, dubs just plain suck.

There's a perfectly good reason why I call them duds instead of dubs.

[Rosepetals (#42525)]

I can vouch I've seen both series, both ways. Honestly, the sub is better, more emotionally convincing. I don't think the dub version is the most horrible one I've ever watched, though. I've heard much, much worse. They did change some of the dialogue, but they didn't rewrite the script for it...not sure where that rumor came from at all....

[Arilou (#34809)]

I watched the german dub, and it was.... Rather odd. Voices being *quite different* and such. Fascinating to watch though.

[SupraGuy (#92823)]

Sorry, Ken. I corrected my quote tag.

One day I will watch the dub for this. 'till then...

[jazzjack (#45794)]

i only watch subs but i have and that unfortunately also seen dubbed versions.. first of all the voices dont fit the characters at all, it just sounds stupid.. the emotional part, how they express themseves are not convincing at all.. the image of the characters becomes so different..

[Last Exile (#35342)]

It depends on the actors who get in. If it's people like Vic Minonga or Cripsin Freeman who give a damn about the industry or seasoned people who actually make an effort to know their character and have the financial backing, then it can be good. That said, I doubt dubbed KGNE/Rumbling Hearts could come close to being matched by a dub.

Decent dubs I've heard - FLCL, Voices of A Distant Star, Highlander: Search for Vengeance, Afro Samurai, Evangelion (it is a decent dub, regardless of the quality of the series itself). But those are titles which are fairly westernised already or dub only. When a title is very Japanese/Asian, having it dubbed just feels wrong. But it's a cultural thing. Most English speaking people won't try anime first time unless it is dubbed. Seeing Miyazaki movies dubbed, Castle of Count Cagliostro, Evangelion - that got me into anime. But the first time I watched series in large amounts, I instantly became a sub-only person.

Dubs exist to get us Westeners in. Once we're ready to stay, we go subs.

[Zeta Aspect (#108644)]

Yeah, it's almost two months old, but that's not much on the AnimeNfo boards, no?

I generally go with subs, but I've heard some good dubs, two of which I actually prefer to the Japanese: "RahXephon" and "FLCL" (I haven't seen "Trigun" subbed, so I can't say the dub is superior with any certainty). That said, of course, dubs are generally not as appropriate in terms of expression as the original Japanese.

And, actually on topic here, I seem to recall seeing the series dubbed. Unfortunately, I haven't seen it subbed, but I now suspect that this might be the reason I really despise Mitsuki, when most, if not all of the posts I've seen here had a (far) more positive view of her.

Overall, I found that the version I watched managed to be rather distressing anyways. However, I remember watching the trailer for the dub and acknowledging that it was pretty bad.

[Vortex (#130619)]

Go with subs dubs most of the time ruin the experience...

[**conrad_xx** (#130685)]

i prefer subs than dubs i think dubs ruins the inner spirit of the series.
its like when you watch an anime series whith dubs you´re hearing the series without emotion, or just they ruin your mood.