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[Freddy C (#31563)]

i liked the fact that arcueid went away, i didnt think she died and disappeared completely. i liked it also because it's not just another anime that had the main character die than 'magically' come back to life again.

[anime_is_the_best (#41920)]

just finished watching anime. great on my top 10 but i was a lil confused. how did his friends forget about senpai? also did shiki reject yumistki?
and was shiki (not the roa one) the adopted son? and was akiha crying for the roa shiki? so many quesitions but i loved it

Theres a game? wuts it called? also so ciel also died? how?

[Enkidu (#43481)]

@anime_is_the_best

Answering your questions as best I can, in the order you presented them, and just to be safe I'll use this format:

[Vision Thing (#46401)]

[Rex (#48053)]

Well... originally this anime was a hentai-dating game. Just one that was WAY TOO GOOD to be just hentai. There are many story arcs that could be told and some of them are explored here http://www.geocities.com/max3075/top.htm

Anyways, they just picked one of the possible endings, albeit not my favorite one. They only focused on one possible relationship also, although there are slight hints. They covered that up by making Shiki very insensitive. The thing that pissed me off is that there is so much more to be explored. The world in that anime is completely new and interesting. So many things could be done. Each character is completely interesting and etc.

There are other games though that continue the story somewhat. There is one that follows this first one and assumes that Arcueid is alive. There is one that happens in a dream world. There is one that happens in the future with a girl who can see the lines of death, and there is a fighting game.

[Vision Thing (#46401)]

Anyways, they just picked one of the possible endings, albeit not my favorite one. They only focused on one possible relationship also, although there are slight hints. They covered that up by making Shiki very insensitive.

Could you elaborate on that, slight hints of what? I must've missed it completely then

[ruther (#50110)]

i really loved that anime.. i have to admit that the ending moved me to tears.
after reading this thread is was getting depressed again, damnit :p
i don't believe that there will be a sequel.. so i'll try to get the manga somehow *sighs*

its a shame that the game never was translated.. c'mon guys, i'm sure you can do it

[Treet1339 (#69441)]

=)

[Treet1339 (#69441)]

srry for double but no ones answering. i found out the answer to my question after searchin other forums

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In MBR there are 2 kinds of shiki. From what i hear Shiki Tohno is the adopted one and shiki Nanaya is what he would be like if he was not adopted by the Tohno family.

[Thomas(akaTammo) (#57694)]

All in all

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Indeed. The Sacred Moon gets me teary every time I hear that. Nothing else on this earth has ever done that.

[Immune (#70369)]

I'm prone to heart ache when it comes to these types of anime dramas, but this time I felt an odd indifference to Arcuied in particular. It was odd, really. By all accounts, I should have felt drawn into her story but I couldn't get over the fact that she was much too innocent and naive for an 800-year-old vampire. Perhaps it was the fact that she sleeps a lot, but I still couldn't get over it.


*spoiler*
The other fact that bugged me was her surprising death. I thought she was invincible, yet she dies from a petty stomach wound. I don't buy the fact that she was too weak, since obviously she had power to confront Roa and, again, it was a petty stomach wound. Even if Roa had cut one of her life strings, she should have recovered from that since Shiki dismembered her entire body by cutting many different life strings.

All in all, it was a good series but the logical discrepancies turned me off in a slight way.

edit: It may also be the fact that I've seen a lot of these types of tragic dramas that I've been hardened against their emotional effects. Often nowadays when I watch such animes I begin to think of predictions surrounding the characters such as if they'll die or not. Thus, when my predictions comes to pass I often react with indifference, but when the opposite happens I'm genuinely surprised. Unfortunately, the former happens more often than the latter.

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Explanation: she lost that aspect when she had to heal herself after Shiki sliced her up. Plus she wasn't fully healed. She used Shiki to help ehr because she couldn't do it alone. Simple but not obvious, I'll admit.

[Immune (#70369)]

Like I said, it was a petty stomach wound. I'm not expecting her to regrow limbs or put herself back together again.

[Last Exile (#35342)]

She didn't have the power to heal herself that much again. She lost almost all of her power putting herself back together again after SHiki cut her up.

If you read info about the game, Arcueid actually has very strong elemental and fighting powers in her ultimate form. However, because Shiki forced her to use nearly all of it to regenerate,s he was left incredibly vulnerable.

You also have to remember the symbolism of situation. Arcueid and Roa were fighting each other over and over. Arcueid would kill Roa then go back into her chains until Roa was reborn. The point is, in order for one of them to die completely, the other one had to as well. Shiki broke the cycle when he sliced up Arcueid. He thus made it possible. Unfoprtunately, it made it possible for Arcueid to die as well, which is what happened.

[Thomas(akaTammo) (#57694)]

[slippy (#46880)]

Actually I interpreted the ending differently.

Shiki had already killed Arc before (though it's surprising that a full-powered Arc didn't just rip him apart when he attacked), and she came back. I assume that even though Roa killed Arc, she'd have come back anyway. My interpretation is that Arc and Roa are doomed to continue doing the same thing until the end of time. Their curse is a version of original sin; Arc exists to kill Roa, and Roa exists to kill Arc.

In a sense, their lives are as useless as ours because this machine-like ritual will never end. But in meeting Shiki, Arc really experiences living. Though they fall in love, she knows, by the ritual, she cannot stay with him. And the next time she wakes up, he'll be long gone. Such is the lamentable dance of life.

[sp34kl337 (#95781)]

I think I'll clear up a few things

===SPOILERS FROM GAME===

Shiki Nanaya and Shiki Tohno

Shiki Nanaya is a different Shiki Tohno. In the game, Shiki became Shiki Nanaya during his fights against Nero and Roa. The main difference between the two is that Nanaya tends to be very focussed on accomplishing a goal (that goal is usually killing), his speach and thought becoming limited to killing the person (vampire in this case) in front of him. One interpretation of Shiki killing Arcueid is that he became Shiki Nanaya.

Why he killed Arc

There are a variety of interpretations to be derived from the game. Here are the main ones.

1. Shiki became possessed by Roa. In the game this happens in one of the plot branches. He is merely exhibiting the initial signs of possession. Later on he gains the urge to kill anyone and anything.

2. Shiki was possessed by his slightly more psychotic counterpart. The game explains this as being the result of a strong mental link formed between the two eight years ago during the incident.

Reason Why Arc "Died" From Roa's Attack

Another possibility is that:

She had just used her most powerful attack to try to wipe Roa out entirely, thus leaving her completely drained of energy. Add the fact the Shiki had cut her up to pieces a while back and that Roa probably hit her critical point, she wasn't in very good shape.

Why Arc Was Running From Shiki

No clue. The anime people totally screwed this up. Originally, Shiki stalked her to her apartment and sliced her up as she opened the door.

[funsch (#117191)]

I just finsihed watching this anime a few days ago and man am I pretty depressed at the ending. But luckily I went through this forum and found out that the game had a different ending.

So I decided to play the game and I didn't like that ending as well

[Zefris (#61945)]

Yeah, the ending was really depressing. I think I got over it after 2 days though. ;s

[funsch (#117191)]

Yup!

[satthukaraoke (#119836)]

Well, here is the endings in the real Tsukihime. Its origin is a doujin by Type-Moon and adapted into the anime. Frankly there is a lot of details that the anime left out. Make sense, since there is a total of 5 different paths you can take in doujin and each almost spin the story in a different ways and each of them have 2 endings, a true ending and a happy ending.


Arcued's endings:


- True ending (the one in the anime): she doesn't die. Although she did die, however when Shiki killed Roa at the end, the power that Roa stole from her returned to her. This fragment of power allows her to revive. But she can not recover, meaning she can not suppress her Vampire impulse anymore, she will endanger everyone around her. So she decided to lock herself in the castle and enter in internal sleep. That Arcued we see at the end is NOT Shiki's illusion. It's Arcued coming to say goodbye and thank him for the last time. Now that she may be alone in the castle, she will not feel lonely because she will dream about the time with him.


- Happy Ending: Same, but after sometime Arcued manages to make a complete recover and able to suppress her Vampire impulse, she comes back to Shiki, this is the ending that carried to Melted Blood




Other paths in the Doujin are: Akiha Path, Ciel Path, Kohaku Path, Hisui Path.



There is another novel for Tsukihime: Kara no Kyoukai which is a collection of side story, as well Akiha's path happy ending (since she only have a true ending in the original Tsukihime). The Original Doujin explained a great deal about the details of ... well, everything. If you want to have something to clear up, ask away.

[Kensuke (#125034)]

[cranston (#84421)]

There's already a spoiler tag in the title, so any spoilers about the anime does not need to be hidden. However, spoilers of the game should still be hidden.

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Regardless of which is true, in the end Shiki did break the cycle that imprisoned the two foes. That is the important point and a bond that will always be between Shiki and Arcueid.

[Arcueid (#127526)]

On Monday I finished the Shingetsutan Tsukihime anime series. I never expected to be so sad. The ending was TRULLY painfull...and it still IS. Now's Thursday. I'm still depressed. I wonder whether I'd be in the same condition if the ending was happier. But in a way it's original ending is appropriate. I think it's trying to say that you don't always get what you want and you should fully enjoy the happy moments so that you don't have any regrets. Still...

[Last Exile (#35342)]

[Arcueid (#127526)]

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Essentially her life has ended, regardless of whether she actually permanently died or entered an eternal sleep. So the curse ends and she is free. Liberation from the cycle of fighting Roa over and over is the point.

[Arcueid (#127526)]

Aham. I got it. Thanks for clearing up that for me.
Today I watched the last episode....again. I just can't satisfy myself. I watched it over and over again. And I found and understood some things. Like(I don't know how I missed that)

[Kelly (#134386)]

I just watched this whole anime today, and I have to say I quite simply loved it. I spent some time researching the games and characters a little better since they really didn't explain all of too well.

[cranston (#84421)]

@kelly
A little misconception there about shiki

[Veleon (#124559)]

[Kelly (#134386)]

[Shinka (#128364)]

[Last Exile (#35342)]

Shiki and Arcueid both have something like that. The Tohno family is a cursed bloodline. Akiha's powers come through her ability to conjure and control fire and she is reliant on her servants for 'source material'. Shiki does occasionally lose control of his feelings on top of having the ability to cut the lines of death, particularly with non-humans. Arcueid's eye power when she assumes her proper fighting form is able to drive recipients either mad or to do what they want most without inhibition.

On that last one, at the end of the 5th volume of the manga, Shiki accidentally finds Arcueid after she killed attackers with that power and cops the eyes. And if the beginning of the 6th volume is anything like what someone posted on image boards a while back

[Shinka (#128364)]