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madpierrot (#74742)
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 Anyone feel the same way as me?

I see that this show is the 4th highest rated on the list and I'm just wondering if anyone else finds this show to be overrated and hyped too much. I personally don't think that this show deserves the praise that it gets and I know that I'm in the minority on this one. I'm just curious if anyone else around here feels the same way as me.

Fullmetal Alchemist had a decent start and had some nice twists to start, but then roughly halfway through it just went downhill and fast for me and wasn't able to come back up.

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I feel the exact same. It's way overrated, just like Naruto or Elfen lied. It wasn't a bad show, but it gets way too much attention.

But actually I didn't like the beginning of the show, it bored me to death. Near the end it became more interesting.
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Re: Anyone feel the same way as me?

madpierrot (#74742) wrote:
I see that this show is the 4th highest rated on the list and I'm just wondering if anyone else finds this show to be overrated and hyped too much. I personally don't think that this show deserves the praise that it gets and I know that I'm in the minority on this one. I'm just curious if anyone else around here feels the same way as me.

Fullmetal Alchemist had a decent start and had some nice twists to start, but then roughly halfway through it just went downhill and fast for me and wasn't able to come back up.


I poo poo towards FMA.
Elfen Lied is actually emotional and it therefore it is okay to give attention to it because pepole are merely venting their feelings

But FMA, .......... nope, not at all. I feel nothing towards any of the character, and all I liked about this anime was trying to figure out what was going on. It was good in that sense, but there isn't anything spectacular amazing about this one. Overrated! Some newb must have buffed it up!

Oh... also.... a lot of these Rankings are by how often it is seen. Like, a lot of people who don't watch a variety of anime have seen Naruto, and FMA>
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Yeah, FMA is definately a mainstream of anime. Something people just watch on tv without being an anime nut. FMA along with Naruto, Bleach, they are all very popular among non-otaku type people. I think it's all based on marketing.
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I've watched up to episode 32 (I think, I've stopped for some time now, waiting for the later episodes because I've bought up to episode 39 only).

I found it to be pretty interesting and enjoyable. I've no complaints about it. But since there wasn't much romance in it (as far as I can see), it won't ever be one of my favourites. But for what it is, I think it's pretty decent, if not one of the better ones out there.
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It's one of only about 5 animes with a proper plot. Stop complaining.
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Wow.. I'm shocked there are the first few people in here posting thinking that this was mediocre or over hyped.. I totally loved it.. Totally unique storyline.. Even if some of the basics are there Alchemy is new.. I liked the characters and plot twists too.. I enjoyed it and yeah it's hyped but thats because it's good..
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Last Exile (#35342) wrote:
It's one of only about 5 animes with a proper plot. Stop complaining.


not everyone enjoys anime for a proper plot.
an anime could be good and proper, follows a coherent set of guidelines and leads you to the believable yet shocking end, but if it isn't made in a great way that's amazing or new, or doesn't make you delve into the character's mind, it isn't that successful of an anime. For FMA, the characters, like mentioned somewhere up there, are pretty weak compared to other animes. It is great for first time viewers of anime but those who like a little more craziness, this is too mild.
and some don't need a proper plot... and still could be good
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Stop complaining? Haha, I'm just stating my opinion on an anime and wondering if anyone else feels the same way since it seems to be the minority. Also "proper plot", what exactly do you mean by "proper plot". I for one did not find the plot to be well executed at all and frankly half way through i didn't find it to be very good considering the direction it took. I feel like getting out my view on a show that I find to be unjustly praised.

As far as I'm concerned the show went in a really dumb direction roughly about half way through and tried to throw in waaayyy too much junk to make the anime seem more "deep" or "thought provoking", but only managed to make it seemed cluttered, poorly put together, and fake due to these poor attempts to cram in as much as possible. As I said the series started off with some nice ideas, but after that and espeically towards the end you just want to say calm down FMA. I mean the only thing the show was missing was a Super Saiyan level 5 and a card battle to decide the fate of the world and the writers would of done just about everything. Throw on a ending that didn't really do anything and I think that plot is pretty weak.

Also probably my biggest complant would be the "over sentimentality" that floods this show. They try so hard to squeeze every last tear out of everyone and it just seems so fake. I can't go into more detail without spoiling things (am i'm not 100% sure how what i can do with that), but I just want to get out my view of a show that I feel gets a lot more praise then it deserves b/c it's just not very good.

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As for the "proper" plot bit, I felt things were really arranged in very sloppy way near the end.
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The whole alternate universe bit and the whole immortality bit came out of no where all of a sudden and quickly ended the show. The ending seemed very out of place.


I never thought of this as a crappy series, in fact it's quite the opposite. It's a series worth watching, but as few people already stated, we were just saying it was "over hyped". Just because we say something that goes against the opinion of the "majority", doesn't mean our "opinion" should be considered a "complain".
This just goes to show how fanatism can affect you. If this was a moderately popular show, people wouldn't form such polar opposite factions like this.
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oh my, referring to silverkitsune's spoiler, when i saw that towards the end.. i ws just like 'huh?' okay time to do my school work where at least something coherent and productive is happening

i totally forgot that happened, and i think i must have suppressed it in my mind.

yes, i retract my statement from previous, fma does not have a proper plot, it is not consistent and too random. Does the manga take a different direction?
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The manga is awful and hurts my eyes.
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What happens when the anime goes ahead of the manga

Here is my personal opinion. I thought that the first 20 some episodes were amazing. To be honest, I was never able to keep track of time. Just when I thought things were getting interesting, the episode was over. After episode like 30 or 35, things started to go wild. Reason? As I have recently found out, the anime goes a completely different direction from the manga, which is still continuing. The last few episodes of FMA, personally was way to speedy and made little sense to me. I feel that this is the problem when the anime goes ahead of the manga and tries to be creative. In such case, the anime can never have the intentions that the orignal author initially had, unless the anime was worked very closely with the author (if that happened in this case, I would be very dissapointed). Anime creators, I think, need to be aware that just because a particular manga is a hit, doesn't mean they should quickly start animating. This is the sort of problem that exists when they try to do that.

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I think it really depends on what you mean by proper plot.. Yes the ending came right out of left field, but I never felt lost throughout the series well until the end part.. Still though up until that whacked ending I think the plot was totally fine..
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Caddberry (#27690) wrote:
I think it really depends on what you mean by proper plot.. Yes the ending came right out of left field, but I never felt lost throughout the series well until the end part.. Still though up until that whacked ending I think the plot was totally fine..



That is EXACTLY how I feel. Word for word...if I were to state my opinion, it'd be that post verbatim...

I admit that the grasp of the purpose of the series changed a bit (for me, at least), but all in all, I thought this was a great series...as for the mention of Naruto, and Bleach...well, Naruto just makes me laugh, and the music is fun, and I still watch that one. Bleach, on the other hand...I feel as if it's a bit overrated...I didn't get that far yet in the series, though, so I guess I wouldn't be a good judge...
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FMA an overworked cliche?

I couldn't agree more, the story is an inherent human myth that has been beaten bloody until it couldn't possibly have any entertainment value left. That doesn't make it any less of a wonder. It's truly amazing that anyone could take an overworked cliche and turn it into an emotional catharsis, and as such one has to recognize the success of FMA.

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I always wait for an anime craze to die out until I watch the series. I must say that I download anime so don't shoot me. On the hub where I usually "hang out" most of the people were talking about FMA at the superlative. So I just waited until the anime was finished and the craze died out. I did the same thing with many anime: Berserk, Full Metal Panic, DBZ, X, and more which I can't remember. This gives me the chance to watch the anime and offer a serious opinnion on it without being consider a jackass because the anime is popular and I just bash it because of that.


So...let me begin...what I'll write here I'll turn into a review on the series later:

The series has captivated me from the first episodes. It was that general athmosphere...a bit of lightheartness and some serious stuff. At first I thought it was going to be an adventure anime, finding new places, new faces all the time. Mostly I got what I wanted, the exploration part was just very good and I almost never got bored. The universe in which the action was set was pretty good in my opinnion. There weren't any conflicting ideas or information fed to the viewer. I enjoyed the elements of the anime revolving around the science of alchemy which as normal science was breaking the barrier of religion. At this point I was already fascinated by what the anime showed me.
The characters were somewhat suddenly brought into scene. It gave me the impression that I had the episodes numbered wrong but that faded away pretty quick. The story behind their appearence and abilities was good and impressive. The interaction shown with the other characters that appear is somewhat shallow but not exactly superficial. Nothing can really be said in a conclusive manner about this. Some characters were suprisingly good(Greed, Lust, Wendy<<that's her name I think>>, that chick which was Mustang's right hand) while some were horribly bad(Gluttony for example) so I'm not going into this. The two brothers shared quite a relationship but it gets pretty weird at times, their interaction changing drastically at some points, too sudden and unbelievable(in a bad way) so I can only rate them as mediocre towards good, although I pretty much enjoyed them...quite a nice bunch.
Before I get into what really matters for me I'll say something about the graphics and sound.
The animation was good, I have no complaints there. The battles were fluid and pretty fun to watch (the Elric brothers ducking it out in training for example). But taken the year of the show I can't say that it surprised me with it's quality. As good as it can get for the times so no complaints.
The music score was great in my opinion. The opening theme was really something to look forward to, not skip and the ending was pretty good as well though not great. I listened to it at times before I ended a session of episode viewing. The music during the episodes was notable, as a great OST to listen to in my spare time as soon as I get it. The voices were very well chosen, a bit of a funny choice for Alphonse(big body, youngers voice...weird).
The technical part of the anime was overall good for me. I can't even complain about the drawing style for the anime which a major minus in most modern anime in my book. This one was resonable.
Now for the story which is the backbone for anime. For me at least.
It starts off pretty slow which ain't that bad taking the number of episodes. The more episodes, the slower the story. But it didn't really matter much here. The story, revolving around a subject such as alchemy actually managed to become something pretty awesome with the introduction of the villains, with names of sins born from sins. That was a part of the story which was well put into scene throughout the entirety of FMA. The story, although sufering from the filler disease is enjoyable because of the constant changes in it. Be it a location change or a change in the atmosphere, it is progressing with each episode, exception being the fillers.
The fact that the story ends abruptly with the introduction of the parallel univers idea is a minus. Even if it evolved nicely until that point, I can only express my disaprovement for that artifice in the plot line. It was just a way of ending the anime in a weird manner, taking a turn around the simple ending and finishing it with a drop of "to be continued"
Value-wise...this is an anime I will be rewatching when I'll have the time. I enjoyed the characters interacting and developing, some of them changing and making mistakes which would mark their life for all time. I don't believe I'll ever forget the girl-dog chimera episode...that was disturbing and very sad at the same time but sublime in the way it was screened and finished in the end.

My conclusion is that I liked the anime for it all. It is not the perfect 10 anime I was told it was but it is good. The over-hype is not totally a mistake nor is it right.
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Exactly..not a perfect series, but not a bad one either...

As for the dub fans (if this is violation of posting, considering that there is an old discussion about this, let me know, and I'll move it right away) for the dub on CN, they seem to be liking it a lot..the translation is very precise, and the voices...well...I won't comment on the voices >_<

That sort of proves that the plot must have been likable if the translated version is liked as well...
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No matter what makes a proper plot, you can't say that this anime had one. Especially when you look at the random, twisted ending. But even from the boring beginning, the plot was never carried out correctly. The entire middle 30 episodes were just frivolous, pointless adventures that brought the Elric brothers nowhere closer to fulfilling their mission. This series could have easily been cut in half length-wise and nothing important would have been lost. Once this slow moving series finally got to the last 10 episodes, everything just became weirder and more random. And the ending was just terrible. It made no sense and it left the viewers hanging.

This all brings to the main point I was going to say: this anime is so unbelievably overrated. I am almost POSITIVE that anyone who is a big fan of this anime would be a much BIGGER fan of the many BETTER animes that are out there. The only reason this anime gets as much hype as it does is because so many kids have access to it on CN. If other animes had their own regular time slot on CN, they would get many more fans than FMA does. Think of all your favorite animes right now...done? Okay, now think about how many of them appear on a regular time slot on ANY TV channel...that's what I thought. This anime is only popular because it's one of the few animes that people can actually catch on TV in places outside Japan.

But my biggest beef with this anime was the fact that it didn't make sense. I know it's an anime and isn't supposed to make sense in general, but I'm talking about basic things here. If you're watching a movie about traveling to a different galaxy, it doesn't mean that it's justified to see a flying pony whiz by the spaceship, right? BUT CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THESE PEOPLE CAN CONJURE ALL THESE THINGS JUST BY PUTTING THEIR HAND ON IT? When Al fixes the broken radio early in the series, how did he put every single wire and circuit back together without even having a clue as to how its internal structure was composed? He just puts his hand on the circle and BAM! It's like taking a bunch of scrap metal and putting your hand on it...BAM! You have an instant supercomputer complete with all the wiring and circuitry intact. Sure, you had all the material componenets, but exactly who put the damn thing together? Your thoughts about how it looks on the outside only, or......god?


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Alex.. Mark spoilers properly.. I fixed it for you, but in the future I'll just remove what you write.. well.. or fix it depending on how rushed i am..

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Sorry, dude. I'm new to this site and forums in general and forgot to do that. It won't happen again.

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IMO I think FMA is an excellent show. I never got bord watching it, but to be in top 5 is little too overrated. I agree that it has a better storyline than other animes and addicted from time to time. But to say it is better than Full Moon is hard to say...

PS: What's wrong with Elfed Lied being in the top 5? I would be happy to see it as #1. It's like my all time favourite show...Sorry, being a little bias here. hehe! Cool
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Well, I just finished watching this series and I posted on another site about my disappointment in the movie and ending. I was just wondering if anyone also felt the movie just didn't do justice to the series?
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Especially in ending a lot of characters plot lines or just leaving them hanging. There were also numerous plot holes, there was more than one portal in the movie, yet they only close one? Why did Ed return if he could just close it from one side? The villain was poorly done and what was this whole Nazi parallel universe garbage? It took up more of the movie than the actual characters other than Ed. The ending was the most disappointing part, everything was left behind just to reunite Ed and Al (even though their ending made no sense, how did Al even get back on the ship?). As I posted on another board, Winry's ending was the worst part, since they left her behind like it was nothing, no good bye or anything. However, I don't really want to get into that since I posted a ton on the other forum lol.


Anyways, I was wondering what you meant by this:
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The fact that the story ends abruptly with the introduction of the parallel univers idea is a minus. Even if it evolved nicely until that point, I can only express my disaprovement for that artifice in the plot line. It was just a way of ending the anime in a weird manner, taking a turn around the simple ending and finishing it with a drop of "to be continued"


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Are they planning to make another movie eventually or you just think they placed that in there to just have the possibilty of ever making one. Since I can understand what you mean with "new adventure" and needing to find the atomic bomb or w/e.


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I enjoyed this anime from begining to end. Definetly a top in my book. The only thing that could make it better was a romance. After all, most stories are better with a romance, in my opinion.
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It took me a minute to figure it, but I think this belongs in the FMA threads versus the general discussion forum-I'm moving it now.
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I think they did have some romance in it but never developed it at all and just left it as hints/assumptions. I think you could take the way Winry felt about Ed as more and vice versa, but it was never really developed other than blushes, hugs, getting made fun of and some other things.

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I enjoyed full matal alchemist untill the end when I watched the movie the only thing that it lacked was romance I would love it if Ed and Winery got together and Hawkeye and Mustang
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but in the movie ed and al get stuck in another world and leave Winery and their friends behind it was awful I was crying during that part

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Very few series get the full package right. This was one of them. Great animation quality, very good soundtracks, excellent voice cast (Romi Paku and Michiko Neya alone are just spellbinding), very well planned out and enthralling story, great plot, captivating character cast, plus worth rewatching. Long series are usually made of fail. This is probably the only one that wasn't. It caught me right away. This one is probably gonna hold the #2 mantle on my favourites of all time for quite some time.
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This series was really disappointing. It's like most really long series that just keep throwing in more of the same plot in slightly different packaging. But on top of that it has an absolutely horrible ending.
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Half the plot consists is the Elrich brothers hearing some rumor involving the philosopher's stone, then they go to the town/hide out/secret lab only to discover the stone is being made by immoral means, taking human lives or spreading sickness so instead they fight against it and no one gets the stone. The Homonculi, Dante and Ed/Al's father are by far the most interesting part of the story, but instead of confronting them at the end of the story, make way for portal into our world? Worst ending ever...


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I thought if it was longer , you people wouldn't think it was overrated and not as good. I thought the series was phenomenal.
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im with you buddy. at first it was OK, but in the long run it kinda got me bored.

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