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Rosepetals (#42525)
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Zidane was actually a good character that developed well in the overall game of FF9 as well, though I'm not sure how much of a spoiler it would be if you don't remember it too well, I'm covering it just in case.

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I think Zidane broke the cold hero cycle among the mainstream games (FF7-F10). He was pretty much the polar opposite of both Cloud and Squall. Though actually, what I remember of Zidane was that he started out as your mischevious ladies man. I think as the game grew on, he actually became more mature and his affections were really for Princess Garnet/Dagger, as the game progressed.

The game is rather ironic up to a certain point because Zidane's the one who usually helped Vivi out of his downcast states after finding out who he was. Vivi was pretty much a created clone that was predicted to "stop" at any point-but unlike the other mages, he was raised in a separate home-and determined as a failure. The biggest surprise with me was finding out that Zidane had the same problem as Vivi, but he didn't know it until it hit him square in the face-he went berserk for a while before the gang told him to pull himself together. I think from that point onward he was a lot more mature as a character.

Kuja was his "superior" brother, if I recall correctly. It's been quite some time since I played through the whole game.



Also, I disagree about FF7:AC on some levels-it did have some development for Cloud in terms of the "after-game" situation, but you really didn't see his character grow all that much. It was mainly just stylized action. For the game...I think there are a lot of things in the game that weren't considered in terms of development for Cloud-and he actually wasn't impervious to feelings at all.

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First off-I think we can agree that the focus of FF7 wasn't romance at all, it was only one part of it. But the problem with FF7 is that it's very choice-reliant on establishing whether Cloud had any feelings-he did break down a bit when Aeris was killed. Also when Tifa was attacked by Sephiroth during the Niebelhelm incident 5 years before. Even also when Biggs, Wedge and Jessie were killed during the plate incident. No wonder he was so messed up-and granted, his memories were all screwed up about the incident 5 years before with Sephiroth. His identity was confused quite a bit with Zach's.


I'll come back into this a bit more later when I have a chance.
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@ Rose
I better spoiler this up as well

Spoiler for FF9
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Garland mentioned that Zidane is Kuja's replacement so i'm guessing he is hinting that Zidane>Kuja and added that it is one of the reasons Kuja 'threw' Zidane onto Gaea (or earth).


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Rebuttal to Rose's views on FF7 re Cloud's emotions
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The Nibelheim incident 5 years ago is not argued. At the time, he was human. However, when Jessie and co died, I believed that Cloud treated their departure with utter detachment. That is, he wasn't affected by their deaths. It's just my interpretation. The game itself doesn't make it clear.

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Sabrina (#85447) wrote:
AHHHHH cloud... Smile
Is there a point to this post or are you just spamming.
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Sabrina (#85447) wrote:
AHHHHH cloud... Smile


Are you a Cloud fangirl, Sabrina? *winks* Wink

@Cranston

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I think that's one part of the problem with FF7 on some levels-it's how you interpret it based on the options you choose. Remember on the tower before the Sector 7 pillar fell, it gave you the option to talk with Biggs, Wedge and Jesse one last time, and depending on your response, you could either go the callous, don't care route, or the other option that conveyed some sort of emotion-for me I kept choosing the latter, and my interpretation was that he did care, but I think it wasn't established well enough-maybe not on a broader scheme.


@Daizengar Yeah, I remember that tid bit regarding Garland now that I read it, but I didn't at the time I posted.
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cranston wrote:

I don't agree with that. In the last 3 releases of FF, the leads been rather wussy. Zildane, Tidus, and Vann (IIRC). These characters aren't "bad-ass". "Bad-ass" is what I would call Auron (his entry scene into the stadium was so.... cool!).

In terms of character depth, I would say Squall and Tidus were decently done. I don't remember Zildane much so no comment on him, and Vann was completely characterless after 10 hours into the game which I never finished.


Well, first off, pretty much every Final Fantasy lead in existence has an effeminate air about them. Whether it's because they look like girls or because they act like girls, they're decidedly feminine in some way. You can thank Japan for that, of course, because the characters are designed that way to appeal to the general Japanese demographic who play these games.

Second, I wouldn't call Zidane, Tidus, and Vaan "wussy" per se. Traditionally, for the Japanese RPG market, you start out with a young, inexperienced character who grows throughout the story, so, to an extent, having the lead be this younger immature character that is undeveloped is somewhat expected. These 3 characters just follow that basic blueprint and branch out in their own quirky ways. Seeing them as wussy is a tired, westernized quibble that's been repeated again and again. Lord forbid that the people behind Final Fantasy, a series in itself that is meant to redefine itself in each reincarnation it has, divulges from the stoic "badass" of Cloud, Squall, Kain, etc.

So my point is, basically, that if you play Final Fantasy and expect to get Cloud 2.0 or any other main character that's been done before, you're going to be disappointed. As I said, Final Fantasy is meant to change, to evolve, to break outside the box of the cookie-cutter RPGs that clutter the gaming market. If the development time for Final Fantasy XII (5 years!) doesn't prove that, I'm not sure what else would. ;3
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Describing them as "wussy" was most likely innaccurate, and while I found Zidane and Tidus to be rather interesting and likeable, I can see why people wouldn't like them.

Vann, on the other hand, I found to be very dull and boring. I just never got the impression that there was any real depth there. They should have made Ashe the main character, getting past their own "woman can't be leads" in games. She made a much more entertaining lead. The sad part was that I found myself liking Vann's older brother MUCH more than Vann himself. Though I admit that was probably partly due to the fact that he seemed cuter than Vann =3
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yeah, I will say that Blathier and Ashe lead the story in FF12, there was not much in a plot development in that game. Sorry if I miss spelled his blathier's name. It's been a while since I played it.
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Annûniel (#90354) wrote:
Vann, on the other hand, I found to be very dull and boring. I just never got the impression that there was any real depth there. They should have made Ashe the main character, getting past their own "woman can't be leads" in games. She made a much more entertaining lead. The sad part was that I found myself liking Vann's older brother MUCH more than Vann himself. Though I admit that was probably partly due to the fact that he seemed cuter than Vann =3


Yeah, I definitely agree there, but the reason behind that is pretty simple; Vaan wasn't meant to be the lead from the beginning. It was actually... Captain Basch fon Ronsenburg of Dalmasca~! But later on in development, the focus shifted over to Vaan and Penelo when they were created. To quote teh Wiki:

Wikipedia wrote:
The development team explained that their previous game, Vagrant Story, which featured a "strong man in his prime" as the protagonist had been unsuccessful and unpopular; the change regarding Final Fantasy XII from a "big and tough" protagonist to a more effeminate one was thus decided after targeting demographics were considered. With the casting of dorama actor Kouhei Takeda for the voice acting and motion capture, Vaan nevertheless became a little less feminine and more "active, upbeat bright and positive" than planned.


So, there you have it. Is it a good excuse? Meh. But I can understand why they'd be wary~ ^^
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My game heroes are Yuri and Dante Laughing

While I did say that Tidus was wussy, he was a good character. His development through the course of the story was done well enough and you can see that he matured. (At least, he learned a bit of stoicism and machismo by the end Laughing ) Can't say the same for Zidane, but my memory there's fuzzy.

"Effeminate." I'm reminded of Magna Carta: Tears of Blood. *shudder* There must be some truth in the research given the slew of games with pre-adolescent kids running around saving the world. I guess there's just no helping that given the preferences of the end-users. I just hope they never feminise Snake Laughing Oh wait... They did!

Well, at least we can look forward to the next game which will have a female as the main character.
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cranston (#84421) wrote:
My game heroes are Yuri and Dante Laughing
I can probably tell Dante is from DMC but i think there are a lot of Yuris out there. Maybe Hyuuga Yuri from SH?

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Daizengar (#99576) wrote:
cranston (#84421) wrote:
My game heroes are Yuri and Dante Laughing
I can probably tell Dante is from DMC but i think there are a lot of Yuris out there. Maybe Hyuuga Yuri from SH?
Who else? Laughing
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How the hell did this get through my game-dar!?

Final Fantasy IV officially DS-bound

It came out on December 20, 2007..........


Dear Jebus! I want US release! ;-;
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I love Final Fantasy. I'm waiting for 13 to com eout. It's still in development.
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I'm a Final Fantasy Fan~

I had play Final Fantasy I,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX & tactic~
Final Fantasy II is too hard to level up...
I can't found FF III Sad ...
Now begin play Play Station 2,I'll completed FF X,X-2 & XII~
I had colleted so many poster,chocobo doll,the knife which the main character use,VCD & DVD movie, and more...

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I like FF games with 4,5 and 8 being my favorites.
The only ones i haven't played are 2 and 3.

I just finished FF: Crisis Core and i thought it was rather boring. The ending was really nice though.

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I love Final Fantasy the whole reason I got into Video games, the first I played was ffX ffX2, then after that I was hooked Very Happy

the next one I really want to paly is FFVII crisis core Very Happy
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Final Fantasy is an amazing series of games. Though unfortunately going downhill now if you ask me. FFX-2 was pathetic compared to X, I didn't have the means to play FFXI and FFXII has a great system, but none of the plot lines compare to that of IV, VI, VII, VIII, and X.

Got into FFIV when I was a kid, and SNES seemed really good graphics (compare to the NES and Commodore 64 I also had) and been hooked since.

Am I the only one who prefers FFVIII to FFVII though?

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@Enigma...most likely haha. Nah I know some people that prefer 8 although personally I prefer 7 since it has the most awesome character ever (aka Sephiroth) and the character development was really good bringing in questions such as what defines us and who we are etc. It's also the first game where I've encountered someone sharing the same name as me, Vincent Wink.

The reason I love FF is 'cause it was the first RPG I ever played and as such is kinda the template which I expect all others to follow. Don't get me wrong though, I still love other RPG's, Baldurs Gate II and other Bioware games are of epic standard, but FF just has it all: dope soundtrack, cool character design, good gameplay and dramatic plots. I think the characters are definitely what make an RPG great.

On a side note, how do people feel about XIII being on XBOX now?
(Pour moi, I don't really like it but whatever, I still get to play it at least)

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Katayoku_No_Tenshi (#130322) wrote:
@Enigma...most likely haha. Nah I know some people that prefer 8 although personally I prefer 7 since it has the most awesome character ever (aka Sephiroth) and the character development was really good bringing in questions such as what defines us and who we are etc. It's also the first game where I've encountered someone sharing the same name as me, Vincent Wink.

The reason I love FF is 'cause it was the first RPG I ever played and as such is kinda the template which I expect all others to follow. Don't get me wrong though, I still love other RPG's, Baldurs Gate II and other Bioware games are of epic standard, but FF just has it all: dope soundtrack, cool character design, good gameplay and dramatic plots. I think the characters are definitely what make an RPG great.

On a side note, how do people feel about XIII being on XBOX now?
(Pour moi, I don't really like it but whatever, I still get to play it at least)


personally, I have a dislike for XIII being ported to the xbox because even though I have both systems, it's really getting hard to find reasons to play games on my ps3 nowadays. it's a great entertainment system, as well as a good ps1 and ps2 system, but the games until recently have been a bit lacking.

I have preordered socom and LBP so i'm hoping good things from that when I get back home.

I'll probably get XIII for the PS3 as well too, just for mere convenience factor, as well as the fact that it was originally made for that system, and since they're going to be released at the same time, there's no extra bonusés i'll be missing out on, unless they go and do some extra console specific things. Now, I say probably, because the 360 has a better achievements system, and I also know more people playing the 360, compared to the three people on my friends list for my PS3.

What's your reason for not wanting FFXIII on the 360?
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I'm actually a bit relieved by it. I don't think I'd mind quite so much if they hadn't but as I have neither system and I am planning on getting a 360 before a PS3 (for which reasons I won't get into unless someone specifically asks), I'd like to play XIII as soon as possible.

And I always get slightly frustrated with games that are ported solely to one system regardless. I feel like I have to have all the systems to play all the games that I want. I guess that's the whole idea though Razz
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If I got my information correctly there will be a difference in the different versions of XIII. The 360 version is supposed to be real time like XII was and the PS3 version is supposed to be more turn based like X.
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@Veleon Really? If people haven't looked at videos for FF: Dissidia, you should lolz, but from how they want to make the combat similar to the fight scenes in Advent Children it'll probably be something like that. Why it would be different to the consoles is beyond me and if anything, the PS3 should be real time having the "Cell" (basically seven processors linked up).

I agree with you Stick, FFXIII was the main reason I bought a PS3 and it annoys me a little that Sony would go and lose the one special thing it had. Ah well....apparently Versus XIII is gonna be exclusive...I hope ¬_¬'. I don't particularly hate the 360, it's just my least favourite console. A lot of the people on it are hardcore fanboys, as with any other console I suppose, but only on the 360 do you get the really obssesive players vying for no.1 and calling themselves "l337".

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I'm actually very new to the FF franchise. Never been much of a gamer until recent months. I have FF War of the Lions and FF7 Crisis Core, both for PSP. I started War of the Lions some time ago and while I loved the graphics and cut scenes, game play was kinda dull. So I dropped that almost immediately. I tried to stick with Crisis Core and in fact, I did till I managed to level up Zack and got pretty far along the game. Then I sorta lost interest in the game. I have not deleted the saved game file yet so one day I may return to the game. I did like it while I was playing it, but it's not a favourite.
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Veleon (#124559) wrote:
PS3 version is supposed to be more turn based like X.
YES!!!

I hated ff12's battle system trying to make a console game feel like an MMO.

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I quited FFXi for a long time.

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Hmm...I think newer Final Fantasy's are slowly becoming more engineered towards the graphics than the story itself. I think FFX had a good balance of things, it looked great and the story was fairly decent. It had characters rivalling FFVII and is very well rounded in relation to side quests and stuff. FFXI was a complete failure, with landscapes and cities WAY too huge taking like 10 minutes going between shops and banks and exiting the city. I don't really have a taste for playing 12 either. It had it's good moments but the spell casting system meant you had to wait for the current spell being cast to finish before you could cast yours, meaning you would generally die before reviving a character when fighting the harder bosses. With XIII, well time will tell. It certainly looks great (playing or indeed fighting the guy who telekinetically controls about 7 swords looks fun) and the story so far reminds me of FFVII, with the richer people living above the city because it's just become so polluted.
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Katayoku_No_Tenshi (#130322) wrote:
FFXI was a complete failure, with landscapes and cities WAY too huge taking like 10 minutes going between shops and banks and exiting the city.


FFXI is a MMO. of course everything is going to be huge. That's why it's so appealing to those of us who want to play in a virtual world.

And there are no banks in the game.


Good god i need to hit 75 on my monk. that or i need to stop playing the game.
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Stick (#5576) wrote:
Katayoku_No_Tenshi (#130322) wrote:
FFXI was a complete failure, with landscapes and cities WAY too huge taking like 10 minutes going between shops and banks and exiting the city.


FFXI is a MMO. of course everything is going to be huge. That's why it's so appealing to those of us who want to play in a virtual world.

And there are no banks in the game.


Good god i need to hit 75 on my monk. that or i need to stop playing the game.


still not 75? lol..
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Stick (#5576) wrote:

Good god i need to hit 75 on my monk. that or i need to stop playing the game.


Level 75 is when the fun starts.

Argh, I need to step up on my crafting skills (lv. 10 on alchemy.), but I don't feel like sitting all day watching my Taru breaking crystals.
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i started playing ffxi again a bit more lol.

i'm thinking of making a ffxi thread hehe.
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Katayoku_No_Tenshi (#130322) wrote:
With XIII, well time will tell. It certainly looks great (playing or indeed fighting the guy who telekinetically controls about 7 swords looks fun) and the story so far reminds me of FFVII, with the richer people living above the city because it's just become so polluted.
WTH? FFXIII is only being released next year. Or are you talking 'bout a demo.
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Ok so Dissidia Final Fantasy is being released in Japan on December 12th, 2008 and sometime spring of next year for the US release.

When I first heard about this I actually thought it was a cool idea, but really didn't pay no mind to it. After reading up on it, watching vids, and finding out it'll have a small, semi-competitive following I am officially pumped for this game. This game has given me more than enough reason to dust off the PSP, although I'd rather this be released on PS2 but oh well.

That being said, I plan on importing this and playing it till the US version comes out just like how I did KH2 Smile
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Ι like FF9 because of the good design

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well, I wouldn't exactly call myself an FF fan, but the first FF game I've played (almost to completion, rather than trying it out for an hour or so max) is Final Fantasy 4 (NDS). I rather like it. It's very addicting, and the characters look cool.
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FF 13 is comming out soon I will probably buy it first thing but it seesm you can only control one character again, just what I need is a dumb AI healing when I want attacking and vyse versa.
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I think ff13 will be better than 12, but whether it will be as good as 10 and the games before that will be questionable. Anyone want to donate a ps3 and ff13 when it comes out to me? Very Happy
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stevo (#103181) wrote:
FF 13 is comming out soon I will probably buy it first thing but it seesm you can only control one character again, just what I need is a dumb AI healing when I want attacking and vyse versa.


You had to put up with it in Star Ocean 3 and I'd say the A.I. in that game was FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR worse than what it was in FF12. Besides, the gambit system wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be...all I did was just make sure none of the commands were conflicting each other and voila. Smart A.I.

Judging by the levelling system I can already tell I will not like this game...Crystarium System which is supposedly similiar to the sphere grid from FFX....worst levelling system ever. I also saw a few of the battles in FFXIII and for some reason it just looks sloppy to me. Maybe the story and characters will leave a good impression, but reading up on the system itself really makes me skeptical of this game. Knowing me though I'll probably buy it :\
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Brandino (#102083) wrote:
You had to put up with it in Star Ocean 3 and I'd say the A.I. in that game was FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR worse than what it was in FF12. Besides, the gambit system wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be...all I did was just make sure none of the commands were conflicting each other and voila. Smart A.I.
Your right I did put up with star ocean 3 and I loved star ocean 3, but I still rather have no A.I. then smart A.I.

FH (#140519) wrote:
I think ff13 will be better than 12, but whether it will be as good as 10 and the games before that will be questionable.
I hope your right about 13 being better than 12, I would be bumbed out if it isnt.
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I'm a fan of FF7 myself... I've played it to death (got that 10$ downloaded version on my PS3) and enjoyed FF7:AC, despite its shortcomings. There's also an extended edition called FF7: AC Complete that features a good 25 minutes of extra footage, not to mention the 2 OVAs that fill some plot gaps.

About FF13, I'm looking forward to this one, and I pre-ordered it before the holidays. It's nice to expect things when they're already paid for Smile

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From what I've read so far, seems like there's too much "story" and not enough 'action' and adventure in FF13. You don't even get to choose where you want to go, you just follow some linear storyline, which is uninteresting to me unless the story is truly a literary master piece. One of the reasons why I stopped playing MGS 4 was b/c of the horribly long and numerous cut scenes.
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stevo (#103181) wrote:
Brandino (#102083) wrote:
You had to put up with it in Star Ocean 3 and I'd say the A.I. in that game was FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR worse than what it was in FF12. Besides, the gambit system wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be...all I did was just make sure none of the commands were conflicting each other and voila. Smart A.I.
Your right I did put up with star ocean 3 and I loved star ocean 3, but I still rather have no A.I. then smart A.I.


No A.I. would work in a ATB system, but in a real-time battle system such as FF12 and FF13 it wouldn't work. Having no A.I. and you having to manage your entire party in a obviously faster paced battle would be hell. Just imagine playing Star Ocean 3 or FF12 without the A.I....it wouldn't work.


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From what I've read so far, seems like there's too much "story" and not enough 'action' and adventure in FF13. You don't even get to choose where you want to go, you just follow some linear storyline, which is uninteresting to me unless the story is truly a literary master piece.


Yeah, I was reading a couple of the posts on AS and for the first bit of the game (we're talking 15-20 hours) it's very linear, but once you get to the Pulse(?) Plains and get closer to end-game it gets pretty non-linear.

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One of the reasons why I stopped playing MGS 4 was b/c of the horribly long and numerous cut scenes.


But it wouldn't be Metal Gear without the long and numerous cut scenes Laughing .
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Brandino (#102083) wrote:
But it wouldn't be Metal Gear without the long and numerous cut scenes Laughing .
Where people try their best not to scream "Shut up already!" Razz

BTW AS (the word in its full form) is a banned word due to the torrent links.

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