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Are you satisfied with the ending? *Spoilers*
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reloaded85 (#40623)
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 Are you satisfied with the ending? *Spoilers*

Hey people! I'm concerned about your opinions regarding the ending.
I have some thoughts in my mind but I would really like to hear from anyone who has something to say about it.

Are you satisfied with the ending? Yes or No?
If no, what should be the ending like?
If yes, state your opinion about it.

Thanks a lot!!!

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and reloaded85 Next time put a spoiler warning in the thread title when you discuss a series.. I did it this time..

Yes I was totally satisfied with the ending..

I was really happy when Mitsuki wound up with Narumi.. I felt like she totally deserved it, and .. Well really.. I liked Mitsuki a lot from the beginning.. So yeah.. I was Really happy with the ending.. I dont think it could have ended on a better note.
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I liked how they ended it

I agree.. I think it was pretty good how they ended it... However, I felt really sad about Haruka...

By the time, she finished the rehab process. The scene where in everyone was clapping for her... I didn't see Narumi and Mitsuki.
I think the meaning of this is that both of them forgot all about Haruka and in return, Haruka forgot them too. It was pretty sad that they weren't together. I know for a fact that if they see each other... All of them will feel devastated, it will hurt them even more. Therefore, when narumi said goodbye to Haruka I think it was the best for all of them.

By the way, I noticed something in the end. Akane was reading the picture book made by Haruka. I noticed that her name changed to "Murakami Haruka." I don't know anything about Japanese names.. but shouldn't it be Suzumiya Haruka? I think that Haruka forgot all the past and married another guy. Perhaps it became a happy ending for all of them..

But DANG, I still feel depressed when I watched the ending!!!

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Re: I liked how they ended it

reloaded85 (#40623) wrote:
I agree.. I think it was pretty good how they ended it... However, I felt really sad about Haruka...

By the time, she finished the rehab process. The scene where in everyone was clapping for her... I didn't see Narumi and Mitsuki.
I think the meaning of this is that both of them forgot all about Haruka and in return, Haruka forgot them too. It was pretty sad that they weren't together. I know for a fact that if they see each other... All of them will feel devastated, it will hurt them even more. Therefore, when narumi said goodbye to Haruka I think it was the best for all of them.

By the way, I noticed something in the end. Akane was reading the picture book made by Haruka. I noticed that her name changed to "Murakami Haruka." I don't know anything about Japanese names.. but shouldn't it be Suzumiya Haruka? I think that Haruka forgot all the past and married another guy. Perhaps it became a happy ending for all of them..

But DANG, I still feel depressed when I watched the ending!!!


Yeah.. It was kinda sad.. It was very sad in a way, but the happy part is that Haruka got to write her books, and Mitsuki wound up with Narumi..

That made me happy.. I was extremely satisfied with the ending.. Yeah it was sad that they probably didnt talk anymore.. and that they werent friends anymore, but they probably would be if they saw each other out in public.. Or atleast they would be nice to each other maybe..
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im happy with the ending. i felt like haruka had drifted away from mitsuki and narumi but she was still in their hearts. im also happy about mitsuki and narumi being together at the end. i love happy endings Crying or Very sad

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I'm torn on the ending, it ended with a natural feeling to it, but it just ended a little too abruptly. I mean yes, we get to know that Haruka did write her book, Akane did get into major swimming events, but we never get the path that leads there...it's a large and bleak gap, and to totally ignore Mitsuki and Takayuki's relationship's future didn't help too much in making it feel overall complete as an ending. Take for example the game, obvious Mitsuki ending results in her reading the story that Haruka wrote to her and Takayuki's child with tears in her eyes. I feel that that would've been a more closing story, to show they all moved on and accomplished what they all desired, which is what the title is...The Eternity You Desire.

I mean I've said it time and time again, the strength of Haruka to let go of her past to embrace her future is the ultimate reward of it. To allow her childhood to be finished and to move onto adulthood.

Plus you get the feeling of devotion between Takayuki and Mitsuki, the fact that she stuck besides him despite the obvious pain it was causing her, and to have Takayuki's painful decision of keeping a promise or to follow his heart. It made each of the characters flesh out differently than the course of the anime.

I'm just a bit confused over the story Haruka wrote, is it a pen-name or a married name? They just left too many loose ends with it to give it a complete closure to the story, they did a great job at closing everyone's relationship problems, but the story still lives on...Razz

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Not me..

I just watched this straight through and my cheeks are still wet! (I'm a female so it's OK :)Wow, I'm going to be the deviant here I suppose. I wished haruka had ended up with Takayuki. Granted toward theend of the series you could tell this was not going to happen given the torment Mitsuki went through and the lack of time haruka and Taka spent together. But I felt Mitsuki was WAY too pushy and needy from the Point haruka went into a coma. She shouldn't have pushed herself on Taka that way and taken off her clothes. I mean come one women. It was fine for her to be there for him and take care of him, but I'm sure given time he would have warmed up to her on his own by going out what whatnot. Plus I found she was way too pushy when it came to wanting to move in with him and hang on to him. They say if you love you should let him go..well she finally learned that at the end but she annoyed me throughout the rest of the series. She did betray haruka in a sense b.c she said it herself that when Haruka went into the hospital she thought about dating Taka. had it hapened more naturally I would have felt better about it. It was al so sad. I was crying so much! I somwhat wished Mitsuki would have realized she was depending too much on Taka and didn't love like him she thought and instead moved on with Shinji, in turn Taka realized his true love for haruka..and no matter what happened, they'd be together..hopeless romantic in me speaking Smile

Also I know nothing of this game. Is it a Japanese game only? Available in the states?

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im super satisfied watched the ending like 5 times i dont kno y but everyone who watches this anime will enter like a 1 week depression or longer

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i'm happy with the ending but i feel sorrow for haruka

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we all feel for haruka but if takayauki stayed wit haruka just so she can heal faster thats even worse.

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Yeah you know what...that had me thinking..in my subtitled version Taka told Haruka about Hayase.. "When I see her again, i want to heal her wounds...even if we have to be together" WHAT?? that makes no sense. He said it like it was a chore? Could it be he just wanted to be with her to try and mend all the damage he did to her over the years and try and return her love? He obviously loved Haruka as well seeing that he cried with his goodbyes and felt he owed something to Hayase..Just a thought. It could be he felt two different loves.

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i still think the ending was ok and i enjoyed watching all the anime. although it would be nice to watch it in english subtitles Laughing

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Kat (#37595) wrote:
Yeah you know what...that had me thinking..in my subtitled version Taka told Haruka about Hayase.. "When I see her again, i want to heal her wounds...even if we have to be together" WHAT?? that makes no sense. He said it like it was a chore? Could it be he just wanted to be with her to try and mend all the damage he did to her over the years and try and return her love? He obviously loved Haruka as well seeing that he cried with his goodbyes and felt he owed something to Hayase..Just a thought. It could be he felt two different loves.


I think he felt two different loves...wrapped up in emotion many different types of need can be shown in love. His love for Haruka was a need to comfort and protect her, his love for Mitsuki was companionship and common support for one another. He finally acted on the feelings he subtly showed in the first 2 episodes towards Mitsuki, but after putting her through so much pain and anguish.

I believe his comment about healing Mitsuki's wounds wasn't so much to be a chore, but to be an atonement of his ignoring of their feelings during the whole portion of his spending time with Haruka.

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Re: Not me..

Kat (#37595) wrote:
Wow, I'm going to be the deviant here I suppose. I wished haruka had ended up with Takayuki. Granted toward theend of the series you could tell this was not going to happen given the torment Mitsuki went through and the lack of time haruka and Taka spent together. But I felt Mitsuki was WAY too pushy and needy from the Point haruka went into a coma. She shouldn't have pushed herself on Taka that way and taken off her clothes. I mean come one women. It was fine for her to be there for him and take care of him, but I'm sure given time he would have warmed up to her on his own by going out what whatnot. Plus I found she was way too pushy when it came to wanting to move in with him and hang on to him. They say if you love you should let him go..well she finally learned that at the end but she annoyed me throughout the rest of the series. She did betray haruka in a sense b.c she said it herself that when Haruka went into the hospital she thought about dating Taka. had it hapened more naturally I would have felt better about it.


I couldn't have agree more than what Kat said. Although it's so obvious that Takayuki will end up with Hayase even from the first episode where he accepted Haruka because she's Hayase's friend. I feel so angry with the Hayase's character. I don't feel sad or sorry for her. She chose all the wrong decision. She chose to betray her best friend. She chose to gave up her swimming talent. She had sex with Shinji (or with the drunk man) because she was depressed and say 'Shinji was not too bad' WOW!! This is one character we should not learn from her experience.

In the other hand, Haruka....wat else I can say? Everyone just pitied her. It's pity to only get sympathy from the audience.LOL. I kinda feel like her younger sister, Akane. I was more angry than sad watching this anime. For love story anime, I prefer the one like Chobits...not so twisted into a love triangle affair (that's why I hate Pearl Harbour-The Movie)...I just don't find betrayal in love and friendship very appealing....

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in one word: yes.

but the thing is, i wouldn't have mind whichever way it finished, even if it was a "then he/she woke up and it was all a dream" ending. for me, apart from a comedy ending, or a totally surreal ending (like they got warpped into hell and all died) nothign can screw things up, it was perfectly set up.
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I'm sorry for dragging up an old thread, but after watching this all in one sitting (I usually watch 2 episodes a day for things, but I was just hooked after episode 2), I was compelled to come here and discuss what I thought of the ending.

Personally I think Takayuki should have ended up with Haruka for several reasons. Mainly because they were together to start with, and they seemed to love each other very much. Although Mitsuki did help him recover after the accident, it felt as though she was taking advantage of his heartbreak to be with him.

If Mitsuki hadn't stopped Takayuki to buy her a ring (which she wore until they broke up), the accident might never had happened. Lets also remember that she did cheat on him for Shinji at one point. And it just seems right that Haruka should have stayed with him.

I also didn't like how he left the restaurant. He was happy working there, and I was hoping that he didn't leave. Alas you can't always get what you want, and everyone started a new life. Harukas first book seemed strangely like how it all began..

Brilliant series and I loved every minute of it. It almost had me crying at some points where I didn't expect things to happen (and I'm male), I really do hope it gets licensed and released sometime in the next few years, it will be on the top of my 'to buy' list.

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Armada (#16553) wrote:
If Mitsuki hadn't stopped Takayuki to buy her a ring (which she wore until they broke up), the accident might never had happened. Lets also remember that she did cheat on him for Shinji at one point. And it just seems right that Haruka should have stayed with him.


That incident should be placed on no one.. It's no one's fault.. Yeah maybe things would have wound up differently, but still.. thats like saying that since you were late for a date and your g/f's house caught fire and she died it was your fault.. Which it kinda was.. but you can't take the guilt for that.. Those things happen in life.. It's not right to place blame on yourself ..

Also yeah she cheated on him, but she was lonely and wanted to feel loved.. I'm not justifying what she did.. I'm just saying that she was depressed and drunk and those things happen.. Narumi was treating her like shit.. if you do that to a woman sometimes they will do that.. Hell you do that to a guy and they will probably do that.. .. maybe..

I was totally happy that Mitsuki ended up with Narumi.. I think i'm one of the few that actually understood this maybe? Not quite the wording i'm looking for but i'm leaving it at that for now..
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Absolutely beautiful anime. I was satisfied by the end, except for the fact that it wasn't made too clear that they did end up together. I would've liked to see Hayase and Takayuki live together, if only for a little while to see how it went. But it was good that those two ended up together. Remember that it was hinted in the first episode that he started dating Haruka only for Hayase's sake! It would've felt contrived and fake if he had chosen Haruka. Anyways, I'm off to linger in this delightfull feeling of depression now Wink

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I hope I'm not too late in posting this. I just finished the series this morning.

I loved how it ended. I loved how Narumi chose to be with Mitsuki in the end. I really think she deserves this happy ending. What angered me though was when Mitsuki made out with Shinji. I'm not angry with her. I'm angry with Shinji. When you treat a woman like how Narumi treated Mitsuki, they end up depressed and do silly things. It's a miracle she didn't break down earlier and lose her mind. She really is strong.

I'm angry with Shinji because, he took advantage of the situation and had sex with Mitsuki. He was two-timing. He was dating his friend in uni, and at the same time having the hots for Mitsuki. What a downright rotten skunk! Having said that, this was a turning point in the story, it made Mitsuki realize that there can be no one other than Narumi, and Shinji realize that it's time for him to give it up and stick to the girl he was chasing in school. It also made him give that pep talk to Narumi that helped wake him up (as well as dishing out some well-deserved punches).

Well, overall, I think it couldn't have ended any better. Mitsuki and Narumi really belong together. It's just that the journey to get to this ending has been really rough, and following the trio through the story left me emotionally drained. But what a ride. I absolutely love this story.
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what ive noticed with this is that everyone thinks the ending is really important, but what really makes this series great is the middle, how everything got to the end, what happened and all the emotional buildup. i agree with freddy c, when u think about it, it doesnt matter how it ended, we keep choosing between haruka and mistuki, but the reason its hard is because that theyre both equally good. if hed gone with haruka, that wudve followed what was suggested in the story esp since he neglected mistsuki and focused on haruka, but then the significance of the book wudve been neglected and the scene with the nurse having a drink with him. but since he went with mistuki..personally i wanted him to go with her at the beginining cause he orignally hinted that he liked her and only went out with haruka only cause i guess for mistukis sake and he didnt wanna hurt haruka (ive actualli been in this situation b4 and have done that once..in the end both of us realised it shudnt have been) BUT subsequently the middle part of the story made mistuki pitiful and that is the point where every1 dislikes her and 70% of ppl prefered haruka. u must remember that he originally didnt like haruka (awkward relationship remember?) and also even though it was a promise and everything, i guess this cud be a fault in the story, it was made for us to percieve a pitying view of haruka and this was conveyed through narumi where he feels guilty and that its a "responsibilty" and "promise".

but then AGAIN, if this had not been so, had we not felt that pity towards haruka, there wud be no emotional trauma that wud make KGNE the rollercoaster that we know. so i guess faults are good in that sense. we wudnt have seen the significance of the book and we wudnt have learnt that valuable underlying lesson/message about decision making (how hard it is) and saying goodbye *wipes tears away from eyes..passes the tissue box on*

also on another note, during the process of mistki breaking down, i was biting my nails everytime she walked on the street or stood on the balcony, i kept expecting her to commit suicide or get hit by a car or something in her dazed state *whew* and the bit with sleeping with the guy/shinji i was totally expecting and dreading that, it was horryfying..this is coming from a guy whose tolerence of EXTREME hentai is unbreakable..i kept getting graphic images of her in my head..in what wud be best described as "unknowingly violated at her intoxicated will" from the point of view of the guy doing her (have we noticed how this anime has uneccesary sex scenes or suggested ones? her undressing for him the first time was sudden and unecesary to convey the idea). and from this ive learnt FinallY why women make such a big deal about love making and that its something treasurable not trivial as it is for guys (im being generic).

all in all i disliked the character progression of mistuki and that influenced my liking for the ending....the misleading thoughts that haruka actually meant something and then him ending up with mitsuki was too sudden (actualli bits of this anime lingered and then skimmed over other bits suddenly). im surprised at how everyone seems to be satistfied with the ending or doesnt mind it....at least they shudve shown more of what happened after (but ive noticed many animes use this "vague ending" "technique"....if we accept it then it wont be that big a deal anymore)

anyway, i shudve watched this earlier so i cudve discussed it with u guys, but the description of the anime on this site isnt very good, it doesnt tell of any significance to the amazing plot and makes it seem like "ye olde romance anime". its more like a summary of the first 5 mins of epsiode one than anything.....stick or watever if ur reading this can i rewrite the description for this anime?...in fact im very dissatisfied with some descriptions (or lack thereof) for some of these animes on this site

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" u must remember that he originally didnt like haruka (awkward relationship remember?)"

Small correction there. He was originally unsure of whether he liked Haruka. In the second episode, the akwardness is gone, they are comfortable speaking to each other, and have bonded well, especially in the scenes which followed in that episode. And it's pretty obvious that by then he did, looking at his reaction to the accident.

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yeh but still...it was originally hinted that he liked mistuki, and ppl say haruka was his "first love" therefore u shud stay true, yet im unsure whether u count first love as person u liked/loved first or sum1 u went out with first (u dont have to love sum1 to go out with them)

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Looking at the first few episodes, there really isn't that strong of a hint that he had any romantic feelings towards Mitsuki, more than they were bonding closer as friends. For instance, when he thinks Mitsuki is interested in him when she arranges the Haruka-Takayuki confrontation, he doesn't have any real reaction to the thought, eagerness, disappointment, so you could pretty well dismiss it as the average response a teenage boy would get when a girl asks him to wait somewhere. And from there he never really has romantic feelings with her.

And even in thefirst romantic...uh...."encounter" between the two (after the accident), her telling him she loved him didn't do anything to shake him out of his mood. Which is why she went....further.

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Yi Dong Wu (#66272) wrote:
yeh but still...it was originally hinted that he liked mistuki, and ppl say haruka was his "first love" therefore u shud stay true, yet im unsure whether u count first love as person u liked/loved first or sum1 u went out with first (u dont have to love sum1 to go out with them)


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sorry, wasnt on purpose, so used to typing abbreviations it comes out naturally now lol

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I also liked the ending, and it's because of Mitsuki, who I think a lot of people blame for her actions in ep 10. But considering that she was a spunky confident high school Olympic hopeful who gave so much to Takayuki that she had no more to give, and became a lonely unconfident girlfriend thinking herself as scume by ep 11, it was only right that Takayuki become the giver to one he has taken so much from. It is Mitsuki, not Haruka, who has become most devastated throughout the three years. For the creators to deal the ultimate blow by allowing herself to defile herself in a moment of weakness and confusion was purposeful on their part, and makes me both made and sad at the same time. The only problem in the ending was not the thematic concept, but the delivery. It was a typically cheesy dialogue that did not have the intensity of the rest of the series, particularly not being able to top the Takayuki-Haruka storybook talk at the beach, in my humble opinion.

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It is Mitsuki, not Haruka, who has become most devastated throughout the three years.


*Ahem*

Okay, close your eyes for a few seconds, then open them. Except now, imagine all your surroundings have changed, everything looks different, your best friend who was so close to you seems to be fading away, and you see your closest partner no longer be with you.

Mitsuki may have suffered, but it's nothing compared to what Haruka experiences. The difference? Mitsuki's fate was caused by herself, but Haruka's was through no fault of her own. And the other differences is Haruka is strong enough to move on, while Mitsuki needs someone to walk her along.

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Shikama (#66793) wrote:
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It is Mitsuki, not Haruka, who has become most devastated throughout the three years.


*Ahem*

Okay, close your eyes for a few seconds, then open them. Except now, imagine all your surroundings have changed, everything looks different, your best friend who was so close to you seems to be fading away, and you see your closest partner no longer be with you.

Mitsuki may have suffered, but it's nothing compared to what Haruka experiences. The difference? Mitsuki's fate was caused by herself, but Haruka's was through no fault of her own. And the other differences is Haruka is strong enough to move on, while Mitsuki needs someone to walk her along.


Actually, I'd believe these two are comparable but cannot be compared in general terms. Mitsuki was with the man she loved for so long without being able to express her feelings or affections until she finally broke down. Haruka lost 3 years of her life to an unfortunate accident, she was with the man she loved but was incapable of staying.

Now I know you're saying "What, that made no sense", and technically it doesn't. But in real life things rarely if ever make sense. Haruka got her time with Takayuki, several months went by and they experienced what could be considered pure joy. Mitsuki was on the sidelines, hiding her feelings and allowing them to not interfere with her best friend and her love.

Now, fast forward to the end...roles reversed and we find the once frail and innocent Haruka finding the strength within herself to let go of her childhood past and move on. We also find that Mitsuki lets go of her independant and strong-willed past to allow people to take care of her...we find that in three years, both girls grew up, albeit differently, and shed away their old selves. Smile

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It made sense until that last line Laughing

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Shikama (#66793) wrote:
It made sense until that last line Laughing

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Haruka lost 3 years of her life to an unfortunate accident, she was with the man she loved but was incapable of staying.


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There was no way for her to keep with Takayuki, 3 years even with undying devotion is still a long time. Tack onto the fact that Haruka's parents forced Takayuki to not come back.

The easiest way to explain it is this...Haruka's mind didn't age along with everyone else...she wasn't capable of staying with Takayuki no matter how much she loved him, she realized this and told him to go after Mitsuki and to let her go.

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I respect your views, I'll start off with that first since I know boards don't emote very well.

Shikama (#66793) wrote:
Okay, close your eyes for a few seconds, then open them. Except now, imagine all your surroundings have changed, everything looks different, your best friend who was so close to you seems to be fading away, and you see your closest partner no longer be with you.


Haruka does go through a lot. But what we really experience is three years of actual mental deterioration on the part of Takayuki and Mitsuki. Three years of living pain. Haruka of course suffered, too. But I guess my position is due to reading how many sympathize with Haruka (who has very little room for error in this series and made a relatively quick recovery to good health, both physcially and mentally), whereas the ones coping with guilt, loss, loneliness... and hence made very human mistakes because of it, get a lot of slack. Takayuki and Mitsuki deserve more.

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Mitsuki may have suffered, but it's nothing compared to what Haruka experiences. The difference? Mitsuki's fate was caused by herself, but Haruka's was through no fault of her own. And the other differences is Haruka is strong enough to move on, while Mitsuki needs someone to walk her along.


I respectfully beg to differ. Mitsuki's suffering was equal, if not more. Just because Haruka's tragedy was not self-inflicted does not mean Haruka suffered more. Mitsuki has had to deal with her own decisions, and accompanying guilt (Haruka) and regret (swimming) and inability (Takayuki... leading to loss of confidence to such low levels). Haruka never fell into deep depression. Mitsuki fell to the point that she would give herself pointlessly to anyone in her moment of weakness. As she doubletalks about the broken heel... it's broken... she was completely broken. Haruka ended up strong enough to move on also because she had so many people's support to begin with. Mitsuki started off strong and the creators of the anime purposely broke her. She didn't need anyone to walk her along. She was the one giving her all, at the sacrifice of her future and dreams (nationals & Olympian hopeful) to keep Takayuki's head above water.

In the end, I am not saying that Haruka is insignificant, far from it. I am only trying to give Mitsuki her due, as this anime is so much about her as much as Haruka, if not more. Haruka's involvement with Takayuki also pales in comparison to the depth of relationship between Takayuki and Mitsuki through those three waking years of emotional trauma that they had to live through together.

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"Haruka never fell into deep depression."


No, she just lost 3 years of her precious youth life which she will never be able to get back, forever Confused The reason she doesn't is because she is able to move on instead of sit there crying about how she lost her best friends. For her, when something is wrong, there's no point crying over it, just move on. She says "The Takayuki want is no longer here". She knows that everything has changed and she can't do anything about it. That's why she doesn't go into a depression. Both of them lose someone very close to them, but Takayki became a super-depressed freak when he lost Haruka, but Haruka does not when she loses Takayuki.

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Takayuki and Mitsuki deserve more.


I wouldn't say so. They caused everything, so they deserve the consequences, no? The thing is, everyone always says to me "Do you expect Mitsuki to wait years for Haruka??? ". No, but Mitsuki should have handled it in a more mature way. She should have gradually brought Takayuki out of his depression and then approached him romantically when he was better. But all she does is make him food, she never tries to do anything to get him better really. Until, the day she goes nuts and confesses (which Takayuki doesn't respond to, until of course she presents her body to him). In my opinion his response was that of an illusion...Mitsuki's "advance" sparked a familiarity inside him of having someone close to you, to love etc.

If this is a discussion about anime I wonder what political discussions are like :shock:

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As I was going through the series I thought that Haruka deserved to be together with Narumi, but when the last episode came around I am now glad that he and Mitsuki are together. I prefered Haruka all throughout the series, and at first I thought that they should be together and I still thought that till the last episode even when I knew deep down that Mitsuki would be the one to end up with Narumi. Despite that, I sincerely did hope that they did get back together then I thought...Haruka deserves more then Narumi, I'm sad that she didn't end up with the same person she loved three years ago, but she was mature enough to understand that things have changed in those three years and she can't dwell over it.
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Sorry to bring this back,

I loved the ending. I just really wish Shinji would have been ran over by a car or something, it seems he got off too easy.

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ommait (#84363) wrote:
Sorry to bring this back,

I loved the ending. I just really wish Shinji would have been ran over by a car or something, it seems he got off too easy.


Indeed, he should have deserved much worse. But that part of the show was a major turning point in the story. Still, you can't deny he was such a lowlife for doing what he did. I hate him.
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holly cwap, am i late or what...
haha, just watched the anime
good story, wtf is wrong wit series like that, only up to episode 2 n they try to make u cry or sumthing lol
but, honestly, ive grown tired of animes with this kind of ending, not saying it was bad or anytinhg but, it wasnt satisfying, wasnt like a proper ending. they did show that narumi(was that his name?! i 4got) n hayase ended up together, but... didnt show any scenes of what they did after, was more like the type of ending that says" we wont show u the rest, use ur imagination n figure out how it ends"
anywayz
again, good anime... Smile enjoyed watching it.

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dave - welcome to the forums.. Please use proper english words.. (read the rules of the forum)
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Caddberry (#27690) wrote:
dave - welcome to the forums.. Please use proper english words.. (read the rules of the forum)

ah!my apologies Smile
i did not quite get what u meant by "proper english words" but, i'll try not to overdo it.. -.-'

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dave (#81437) wrote:
Caddberry (#27690) wrote:
dave - welcome to the forums.. Please use proper english words.. (read the rules of the forum)

ah!my apologies Smile
i did not quite get what u meant by "proper english words" but, i'll try not to overdo it.. -.-'


What is meant is that Internet short-hand is frowned upon a lot here.

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DarkCntry (#45489) wrote:
dave (#81437) wrote:
Caddberry (#27690) wrote:
dave - welcome to the forums.. Please use proper english words.. (read the rules of the forum)

ah!my apologies Smile
i did not quite get what u meant by "proper english words" but, i'll try not to overdo it.. -.-'


What is meant is that Internet short-hand is frowned upon a lot here.


Not all internet shorthand.. Short hand like LoL, IMO.. that's fine.. but using "u" for "you" "4" for "for" is not allowed. It's in the rules.
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m-oyaji (#66569) wrote:
I respect your views, I'll start off with that first since I know boards don't emote very well.

Shikama (#66793) wrote:
Okay, close your eyes for a few seconds, then open them. Except now, imagine all your surroundings have changed, everything looks different, your best friend who was so close to you seems to be fading away, and you see your closest partner no longer be with you.


Haruka does go through a lot. But what we really experience is three years of actual mental deterioration on the part of Takayuki and Mitsuki. Three years of living pain. Haruka of course suffered, too. But I guess my position is due to reading how many sympathize with Haruka (who has very little room for error in this series and made a relatively quick recovery to good health, both physcially and mentally), whereas the ones coping with guilt, loss, loneliness... and hence made very human mistakes because of it, get a lot of slack. Takayuki and Mitsuki deserve more.

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Mitsuki may have suffered, but it's nothing compared to what Haruka experiences. The difference? Mitsuki's fate was caused by herself, but Haruka's was through no fault of her own. And the other differences is Haruka is strong enough to move on, while Mitsuki needs someone to walk her along.


I respectfully beg to differ. Mitsuki's suffering was equal, if not more. Just because Haruka's tragedy was not self-inflicted does not mean Haruka suffered more. Mitsuki has had to deal with her own decisions, and accompanying guilt (Haruka) and regret (swimming) and inability (Takayuki... leading to loss of confidence to such low levels). Haruka never fell into deep depression. Mitsuki fell to the point that she would give herself pointlessly to anyone in her moment of weakness. As she doubletalks about the broken heel... it's broken... she was completely broken. Haruka ended up strong enough to move on also because she had so many people's support to begin with. Mitsuki started off strong and the creators of the anime purposely broke her. She didn't need anyone to walk her along. She was the one giving her all, at the sacrifice of her future and dreams (nationals & Olympian hopeful) to keep Takayuki's head above water.

In the end, I am not saying that Haruka is insignificant, far from it. I am only trying to give Mitsuki her due, as this anime is so much about her as much as Haruka, if not more. Haruka's involvement with Takayuki also pales in comparison to the depth of relationship between Takayuki and Mitsuki through those three waking years of emotional trauma that they had to live through together.


Totally agree with this. Mitsuki suffered far more than Haruka. If i were given a choice, 3 years of living hell or 3 year of sleep i would take the sleep. One should notice the change in both characters. Haruka is still childlike in many ways while Mitsuki seems far more mature. She has a very dismal aura around her and this contrasts strongly with her at the begining of the series. She even tried to save Takayuki for Haruka. She did NOT try to start a relationship until she was near despair at Takayuki's state. She shoed Takayuki that someone still cared in this world about him, and that was what brought him around. Im a little shocked that Mitsuki didnt commit suicide. Frankly i thought the story was progressing that way (even a pic of Mitsuki seemingly drowning in a swimming pool in the opening). I frankly dont see how Haruka could have suffered more again. Sure, she suffered an accident and a 3 year trauma, but Mitsuki gave up her entire life, her entire future to help Takayuki. Where do you think Takayuki would be if it wasnt for Mitsuki? Living on the street? Would that have made Haruka more happy when she woke up? I believe Haruka realizes this thats why she gave up Takayuki in the end.

Mitsuki w/ Shinji i dont have much of a problem with. Afterall, Shinji was only trying to help her and it was Mitsuki who started it. Better Shinji than some drunken guy on the street. The creators i believe purposely put Shinji there to signify that there is still hope and there are still ppl who cares for her. I cant begin to imagine if a similar situation happened to me. Im in 11th grade, just about the age of Mitsuki when the series started. To have all my dreams implode, all my hopes? I would go insane. Mistuki is a remarkably strong character. She sets off this anime. Haruka could have been changed keeping the anime's quality but Mitsuki cannot.

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I loved the end of the series. Like a lot of people, I also wished to know what happened next. I hope some producer of the series read this and get excited enough to start a second season... a 3 episodes OVAīs would be enough (not refering to Akane Maniax, because a want Mitsuki and Takayuki back).

I think the reason why this series is so great is because there are no heroes and villains... they are all human. Thatīs why I donīt think Shinji is a jerk for sleeping with Mitsuki... but this is surely his weakness. To Shinji, Mitsuki is not "just another one". He liked her for a long time... and when she kisses him he feels like "I always wanted that secretly, but this is wrong, what should I do now?" Of course, he didn' had time to think Smile People behaves this way. Men behaves this way. Well, maybe I just relate to him because Iīve been in a similar situation - Letīs say that I was the "Takayuki" of the story. Shinji seems to like Mitsuki a lot since highschool. I love the scene where he punches his friend. That shows not only the anger for what Takayuki is making Mitsuki feel, but the anger of being impotent. Shinji likes her, but lost her forever. Shinji beats Takayuki because he feels envious. This is human nature. Nice, we understand that, we relate to that.[/quote]

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Actually, the ending is the best episode of the series. Characters who have been cardboards from the first thirteen episodes immediately changed their personalities to become 'real' characters.

Akane is easily the most admirable character in KgNE. I mean, with all she has to go through and she still works hard to qualify for Olympics, she is indeed a great person.

About Mitsuki, I think the way she reacts is kinda unrealistic. She gave up swimming just because her friend *got* into the accident ? heh ? I was like, how come these two things relate with each other ? Had I been Mitsuki although I would still go to visit Haruka occasionally, I would not give up my swimming only because of that. Let alone to give up university and my future just to take care of one jerk, Takayuki. I mean, let him suffer. Let him starve. Then he will realize himself that he is being stupid. Had Mitsuki not care for him at all, he would not be a jerk for a year.

Regarding about Shinji VS Mitsuki incident, I found that scene downright laughable. I mean, Shinji was protecting Mitsuki from that guy to bring her into the Love Hotel .. but afterwards he ended up bringing her into that place by himself ? I was like, WTF ? I mean, had Mitsuki and that guy are already in the Love Hotel and Mitsuki was naked in the first place and Shinji burst in to save her (like in normal soap opera) then if after he saved her from that guy .. and then he was trying to look after Mitsuki and Mitsuki initiated the move like that and he f*cked her, then I can accept that ! But come on, they were fighting in front of the hotel .. then on the next scene, Shinji and Mitsuki already checked in to the hotel ? WTF ? And hey, this is Love Hotel, not Sheraton or Hyatt. People check in into these places for sex. Those two scenes totally contradict themselves badly ! But then, that's not surprising is it ? because just like most soap operas, if event A does not happen, there won't be event B. And after event B happened, character would behave in a C manner, or else there won't be event D ..

And considering Takayuki and Mitsuki's sucky working abilities, it is laughable that the HQ wants Takayuki to become a full time staff in the administration department. I mean, morons like him managing business ? Oh hell, I can't imagine ! And Mitsuki .. I mean, damn, her employer is indeed the kindest employer on earth .. Had I been her boss, I would have expelled her on the first three days that she went absent minded .. Oh, I wouldn't care if she said "I am having a problem with my b/f." This is working time, for god's sake. Leave your personal problems at home. I am paying you to work for me. I am not going to tolerate seeing you working suckily ! This is business, not charity.

But hey, this is anime, what do you expect ? Besides, if I were to recommend this or not, I would recommend it anyway. Because I know that people like to watch this kind of crap. I know I do .. LoL
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Mitsuki quit swimming because of the accident, and her blaming herself for it, and the fact that she was doing her best to keep Takayuki from just wasting away and dying of self-neglect.

It is very difficult to push your body and mind to conquer new limits when you're depressed and taking care of someone who's even more depressed.

I would've liked to see some of the post-ending things, but am overall pretty happy with how it ended up. The beginning and middle of the series are my preferred parts, though.
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Kainy (#22295) wrote:
Mitsuki quit swimming because of the accident, and her blaming herself for it, and the fact that she was doing her best to keep Takayuki from just wasting away and dying of self-neglect.

It is very difficult to push your body and mind to conquer new limits when you're depressed and taking care of someone who's even more depressed.


Of course I can see the point in that. But that's why I said KgNE is unrealistic. Had Mitsuki and Takayuki stay with their parents and have no financial worries whatsoever, I would not say their interactions are unrealistic. But come on, apart from Haruka who has parents in this anime, we the viewers never see Takayuki's or Mitsuki's parent throughout the story. So that's why Takayuki's interaction is unrealistic. Without money, you can't survive. Fact ? You can mourn as much as you want. But when you are hungry, you need to go out there, look for a job to buy food to feed yourself. But he was in his apartment for a year ? Doing nothing ? And where the hell he has money to pay for the rent ?

Also, I see no reason why Mitsuki would fall for Takayuki in the first place. In school, Mitsuki is a star. She has a bright future. She is an excellent swimmer. But Takayuki is a good for nothing loser. In reality, a highly achieved person like Mitsuki will never respect, let alone fall in love, with a guy who is less achieved than her. Oh, if takayuki is a swimmer and Mitsuki is a loser, then the show can be realistic. Because men don't mind going out with women who achieved less than them, but women will not respect, let alone love, men who achieved less than them. that's the fact. If Takayuki is soooooo handsome that no women can resist his look, then I wouldn't have so much doubts as to why she loves him. But he isn't that handsome. He is just a 'normal' looking guy, with no brain .. ugh

But hey, this is soap opera .. what do you expect ?
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