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 gundam seed (WARNING: SPOILERS LOCATED INSIDE!)

[Soujiro16 (#12092)]

That probably happened to us all. Who would have thhought in the beginning that Fllay would turn out to be like that? Not to say the Lala-esque goodbye scene .
But I have to disagree about everything is perfect in this series-part.
Let's think about it, most of the gundams in this one isn't very original to say the least. Providence looks like that one from Z with funnel system. Freedom is Wing and X combined. Etc. Of course it's not to say that this serie is bad. Seriously would I sit through 50 episodes if it was bad? Hardly hu? I liked how they kept portraying the characters as some stereotypes and then suddenly comes with a change in a different direction. Like what they did to Lacus. Who would have thought that the innocent singing little girl would turn out to be a charasmatic leader half way through the series?

[Kenki (#11772)]

Yeah, if the gundams were not like the old ones - mix - then we probably wouldn't call them gundams anymore right?

Gundam seed is good enough to keep me watching for a very long time without giving up in the middle. I have watched many anime and I really think that if an anime can keep me watching all of it, then it's at least a 4/5 or a 8/10 one. If I re-watch an anime in full, then it's a 5/5 or 9/10 atleast and I probably re-watch Gundam SeeD.

[akinkhoo (#23493)]

Gundam SEED was not bad, i didn't expect this much from it since it really felt like a clone or a redid gundam series. the battleship and MS are too similiar to earlier series.

are we allows spoiler?
the story was good until Frey died, the way she die was too "mainsteam" (hero tries to save girl but narrowly fails and goes after the killer), was hoping for a more unique ending, there are much sad-er and more meaningful ending. there isn't enough irony there; ya she died the same way as the little girl so? btw, i don't mind if kira dying either! the whole birdy flying in space really spoil my mood in the final scene. this is a gundam anime not a soap opera, even j-drama doesn't have that much tear in their whole series!

[Raitei (#24836)]

Well well

[Samer (#25614)]

Some interesting questions

[Raitei (#24836)]

Hmm

[Samer (#25614)]

And the discussion begins

You think that Fllay is the airhead bimbo? There was another airhead cowardly guy who I don't even remember his name. He was a very marginal character, but Fllay was in your face ALL the time. Let?s just say that I wasn't that sad watching her flaming end

Was the ending rushed? Loads of people think so. I would be glad if some of them would explain why.

I would also like to hear if anyone else agrees with my theory about Patrick Zala's killer. Was it Nical Amarfi's father?

Enough of all that, let's have a look at the new questions.

I don't remember the final episode that well, but I believe after Fllays death we had the stupid ghost seen then Kira went after Raww looking for blood. Poor Raww didn't stand a chance :p

When Kira destroys Providence he clearly fires his thrusters to get away from the explosion of Genesis. That particular surviving act is therefore not that far fetched. There is also an explanation for his escape from the explosion of the Aegis. Strike's cockpit was cracked open in the fight. So if you ignore the fact that he had only 2 seconds to do it, he probably went out of that crack, climbed down his gundam and ran like hell.

The extra escape pods from the Dominion probably made it to Archangel, but they didn't get much coverage since there were more significant things going on.
Since we are talking about the Dominion, answer me this:
Why did Nataru order an evacuation of the Dominion? There were a couple of hunky chunky men on the bridge who could have easily helped her pin Asrael down and the problem would have been solved.

And why oh why did they have Muu killed. Although I expected his tragic end from the closing clips, I still watched in disbelief. He was just too cool to die and he'll be greatly missed in Gundam SEED 2.

[Stick (#5576)]

Look people.

If you want to post spoliers... PUT SPOLIER WARNINGS.

AND PUT IT WHITE COLOUR SO OTHER USERS WILL HAVE TO HIGHLIGHT.

sheesh.

[xofrevlis (#5938)]

Haha, I thought the whole Fllay discussion would come up in one place or another. Sure enough, many SEED fans hate her. I do too, but not the way that most people think. To me, she's one of those characters where "you love to hate," along with Raww Le Klueze. I mean, afterall, it wouldn't be very eventful if everyone just got along and played happy families all the way through, would it?
Fllay made things more interesting inside the Ark Angel camp, it has to be said. And I have to agree with Samer, that they could have done a lot more with her character development rather than take the easy route out and just kill her off.
I personally would have loved to see her survive and give Lacus a run for her money to be the main character's permanent love interest. Lacus just seems so... fake to me.
I didn't like her character at all. Fllay was much more worthy for an anime of this genre. And I found her most attractive if I do say so myself.
*cough* Ahem... roll on SEED 2 and Fllay's long lost twin or something like that.

[*NiNa* (#26323)]

Ok I admit it, I cried watching this series !! Its one of the anime that touched me the most !!
Well enjoy it like I did !! ^__^

[akinkhoo (#23493)]

The Dominion suffer serious damage, even if the archangel didn't fire, Zaft most likely would have finish it off. Knowing the kind of person she is, I doubt she would deflect or surrender her ship.

clearly Kira was interested at Fllay even before the series, he has been a bit off when he saw Fllay relationship with Sai. Beside, it is rare to find the key character in a gundam series and a 15 year old doing a bit of bedroom activity. err.

I am still gonna said, her death was still a little TOO scripted and her ghostly image gave me nightmares..

As for Nical Amarfi's father as Patrick Zala's Killer, erm, could be, but i caould not really tell...

all white to plsd the mod.

[Stick (#5576)]

this is the SECOND time i'm asking you people to put spoiler warnings in this THREAD ALONE.

Please Change your posts to reflect this, and change the colour of the text to WHITE.

Stick
-Animenfo Moderator Group


EDIT: I added a spoiler warning to the title.

[Cagali (#35062)]

Kira and Lacus

[akinkhoo (#23493)]

i never saw lacus in a love-love relationship with kira.
lacus always seem to go for the big picture "end the war". show very little of her feeling.
but i guess she is somewhat interested at him.
if i was kira, i would think "she's a weird one! :shock: "

I believe Kira has feelings for Frey from ep1 to ep50.
maybe that is why kira doesn't develop a relationship easily.

Athrun and Cagali just appear to be "in need" at the right time.
doesn't matter, just grap the nearest one available!

[DancingWind (#46917)]

I liked Gundam seed but I would like to ask a few technical questions
1. Why do Mobile suits look like clowns from the circus
don't they know a word camouflage
EVERY phased shift armour has a diferent color I think it's funny
And what's whith the horns and Faces :shock:
OK OK Freedoms wings Realy LOOK cool but still
What's whith the guns in mecha arms? why does one need one
what's wrong with built in weapons?
(IMHO opinion the best design of mecha is NGE, they are monsters in armour, and Voices of the distant star, they certainly had Normal booster that would allow mecha to fly, and jump insanely now thats one mean military machine)
2. in ep 35 did anyone noticed the stunt that Kira pulled off, when he stoped the zaft MS from point blank shot at the Arkangels bridge ( come to think of it WHY is a bridge in such a place it's like abig tank with a balon tided to him on top saying "if you hit the baloon the tank will stop" )
It sure is a dramatike scene when the hero bravely decends from the heaven like, a pillar of light, shoots the enemy's gun, THEN disables(dehead's) it and going at lightning speed laser beem straight verticaly MISSES Arkangles deck Magnificent isn't it
look closely at the Arkangels design THERE IS a deck and quite a lot of it below ther bridge Now that's some flying

But besides the technical stuf this Anime was REALLY GREAT

[Stick (#5576)]

WOW. this thread is old.

[mitsui (#52079)]

I really think that this series was a bit rushed in the end. It could have been better if they added some more episodes, like making it upto 52 to 55 episodes.

At the early parts of the series it was in slow pace then when it reached some where in the middle of the series the pace started to go faster and into a normal pace, which i think is great and especially for character and plot development. After episode 46 or 47 the series turned a notch again, it speeds up alot of times, which affected the ending; it lacks elaboration and some explanation or basis for the ending. They should have emphasized more on the fight scenes of the final battle, relations and links of the story. And if they would have added some more episodes, it would make the ending clearer and satisfying, they should have planned it well and add some time to develop a formal ending. These could also be the reasons why many said that the ending was rushed. They should have maintained the pace and not rush it. If the ending is better then it would have made the series perfect or atleast near perfect. Having a great ending means alot becuase we all know that an ending has a huge impact in any series or movie.

Anyway, so much for my opinion. I have some questions regarding the series that's bugging my mind until now. hope you guys can help clear it out for me. Spoilers :
by the way, Is it okay if i use a different color? because it's hard to read..

1)It was actually shown in the series at the end that kira had more feelings toward frey than lacus. And there was a scene where Lacus Kliene looked for kira just before he went to battle and talked to him and you can see how worried she was and mentioned that kira needs to come back or something like that and gave him a ring (maybe an engagement ring); then kira kissed her on the cheek. It's very clear that kira treats her more like a friend, maybe also becuase he still has feelings for frey, which we can see it clearly during the time when he appraoched the escape pod of frey. And for me i think that both frey and lacus is inloved with kira. for frey, her feelings slowly developed while they were attached together during the time she wanted to revenge kira and make him suffer. For lacus, i think she developed feelings during the time when she became a captive by the naturals at the archangel, and she even mentioned it to athrun that she likes kira.

Those are my opinions and views, like to hear everybody's as well... and here are my questions :
who does kira like better between the two? is he just feeling guilty that he wasn't able to protect frey when she was captured? or does he really love her? or is he really inloved with lacus but wasn't able to express or reveal his feelings due to knowing that lacus is athrun's fiancee?
and how about the girls? do lacus and frey love kira? which of the two loved kira more?

2)Is cagali a person with seed? or seed co-ordinator? it was clearly mentioned during the series that cagali is a natural but this question popped into my mind when i saw a scene where she piloted strike rouge, then a scene of the seed mode (the violet nut or stone that pops out, same with kira and athrun) shown during the fight scene. can't remember which episode, i think it is around the last few episodes (47 to 50). This confuses me a little bit.
Is she a person of seed? or just an ordinary co-ordinator or natural? or this question will be answered in the 2nd season of gundam?

3)Follow up question about cagali. Did kira accepted her as his sister in the end? it was not shown but i guess it is implicit... what do you guys think?

4)Athrun is a person with seed right? if so... is he also condsidered an ultimate co-ordinator? because it is mentioned that kira is the only child that was successfully born as an ultimate co-ordinator by the his creator, also his father hibiki, right? it somehow confuses me a bit and is bothering me for a while now. i was trying to figure it out for sometime...
athrun's character history wasn't told in the series.. i'm still thinking if he is just an ordinary co-ordinator or a co-ordinator with seed? or should i just watch the 2nd season to find the answer...?

5)Is doctor hibiki a co-ordinator? or a natural? and what is his relationship with the father of mwu flaga (the original father - not kruz)? and what is the work or position of mwu's flaga?

6)About what mwu flaga's dad said regarding his clone... that "they should train and teach the clone (which is kruze) well and to be the heir of his wealth and the family.. and don't be like the stupid one or idiot one" or something like that (can't remember the exact words or sentences, this is during the story telling part of kruze while they where in doctor hibiki's womb or laboratory). the phrase "the stupid one" is he talking about or pertaining to mwu flaga?

7)Follow up question, was kruze the one who burned the house down while they (mwu and kruze) were still young? and if so... then he is the one responsible for killing mwu's dad?

8)For the revival of andrew bartefield, i think it is very wierd and absurd. The consistency part falls a bit with that. it actually creates no meaning at all to those who dies becuase if you can clone or revive a person then killing or death of a person is meaningless, right? but my question is how did he revived? what made him alive? from lab? or what?

9)Why didn't they show the real face behind the mask of kruze? what's behind that mask? maybe i should kira or mwu about huh? hehehe...

10)1 stupid question why didn't kira and lacus had some lovey dovey scenes or kissing scenes? why didn't they kissed on the lips? yet athrun kissed cagali on the lips..., the main hero kira -- no kissing scenes with lacus!? maybe the actress lacus didn't want to have a kissing scene.... or her fee is too high for kissing scenes.. hehehehee...! anybody?

I hope everybody could share your thoughts, opinions and answers (and if there is a right answer). Hope to hear from everyone.

Pardon me if i got some of the words or names wrong.

Despite of the complaints and unfavorable reactions, gundam seed is one of the best gundam series or one of the best anime series ever. It will be a classic, it is a title to be cherished and valued. It is highly rewatchable and it is one collectible item, especially if you're a gundam fan. Highly recommended series! (wished they made it further til 52 or 55 episodes though)

[akinkhoo (#23493)]

ya, as i said... kira couldn't really accept lacus because he clearly still has feeling for frey from ep1 till ep50...

tho after the war, he seem to have relaxed a bit and have a better relationship with the gang... but who know what he is thinking... will he be in seed destiny? :shock:

as for the seed mode thing, it is all just a joke! don't really believe it is anything special but to show that they are pissed!

[mitsui (#52079)]

akinkhoo, thanks for your info and answers!

like to clarify something....
so.. you mean the seed mode thing doesn't have anything to do with thier (including kira?) battles and fighting ability and skills? and is used purely as decoration to get us more excited?

how about the berserk thing? kira is said to be a berserker during fights, right? then you think that the seed mode thing is not related to the berserk thing? what's your basis?

and lastly, is it correct to say or conclude that kira is a different and much superior co-ordinator than athrun? and that cagali is a natural? also that athrun is not a berserker? and athrun doesn't posses seed?

i'm still a bit confused.... hope you guys could explain it furthur..

by the way, i hope you guys could give your opinions or answer to my other questions that i posted prior to this one..

[blue_scarlet (#41202)]

[Revo (#60984)]

[mitsui (#52079)]

Thanks revo for supporting my question.. for the seed mode of cagali i think akinkhoo mentioned it above that it is only to show that cagali is pissed. if that's the case then its clear.. now, according to blue_scarlet kira is ultimate than athrun and athrun also possesses seed, he as well is a berserker and he confirms that cagali is a natural; then my question is does that mean athrum if ever is blown from a mobile suit, will he die? if kira is ultimate then he should have a little advantage right? what might that advantage be?

one big question is -- does the seed mode signifies the person is a berseker? because cagali was shown in a seed mode too in episode 49 from what revo mentioned. then if she is a natural, can we say that she is a berserker also?

from what i've observed, color of the seed mode for each character :
1)Kira - violet
2)Athrun - green or blue-green
3)Cagali - yellow

Does these mean anything or it is just a selection made by the animator?
why do they have to have different color from one another? Is violet the ultimate coordinator that possesses seed and a berserker? then green is normal coordinator that possess seed? which is which? how about yellow? does it mean natural that is also a berserker?

anybody care to share their thoughts and knowledge about it?

it's a bit confusing here... hope you guys can answer them...

[Orion (#142834)]

 

[Orion (#142834)]

I forgot the Flay discussion! As far as I'm concerned Flay was a
manipulative witch but they didn't have to go and kill her like that. My only problems with Flay were that she manipulated Kira and then when he announced MIA she went crawling back to Sai going on about how she never felt anything for Kira. Heck, she even tried to kill Dearka, sure Miriallia tried to but she came to her senses, after Sai held her back.