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 Similarity to Fushigi Yugi?

Just saw the results of a poll in the US about their fave 25 animes of all time. Fushigi Yugi was in there. What interested me though is that it sounds like the exact same material and scenario as 12 Kingdoms!

Can someone explain this, because FY was made before 200 and 12 Kingdoms is a 2002 product. I read that 12 Kingdoms was based on a novel that sold 5 million copies. SO how how is it these two are about virtually the same thing?!
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I've watched Fushigi Yuugi and it's oavs Very Happy

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Based on a novel with the same title written by Ono Fuyumi released by Kodansha, the story focuses on Yoko Nakajima. She was a girl who had pretended to be the honor student in her school and also at her home. One day, a man named Keiki showed up suddenly, and Yoko was called "Lord" by him. Her destiny began to move greatly from that time.

She was led by Keiki, and the place she had reached at last was an another world where 12 countries existed. Moreover, she lost sight of Keiki, and didn't know where even to go. An innumerable specter has obstinately attacked such Yoko. Furthermore, she received harsh treatment from the people whom she met. Through the survival in the another world, she regains "Strength to live" which human originally has.


and after reading animenfo's description of 12 Kokuki, I have to say...

In Fushigi Yuugi, there are just 4 Kingdoms, from North, South, East and West... and each of them has four Gods, the usual, Suzaku, Genbu and the gang Very Happy The main character was sucked inside the book (The Universe of the Four Gods) and became "Suzaku no Miko"... the priestess who could summon Suzaku. Very Happy

Like other animes wherein the characters were transported in other worlds, I have to say that 12 Kokuki and Fushigi Yuugi are different. Very Happy They are just similar in "transported in other world with different kingdoms" aspect.
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Completely different kinds of shows.

FY is basically magical girl shoujo using Chinese fantasy novel-type stuff. I still love the series, but half of it is a love triangle made up of "Miaka! Tamahome! Miaka! Tomohome!" All of the tropes (bishis, triangle, yoai characters, lots of magic, strong girl, girl friend drama) are there.

I still consider 12K shoujo, mainly because the adaptation still adapts some shoujo drama tropes, but this is far as you can get from FY or Utena or whatever. There's no core love story (from what I've seen so far.) The bishounen are at arm's length. Even the character design (same as Rahxephon) draws as much from fantasy art as anime. There is real literary stuff going on here.

It's easier to think of 12 Kingdoms as a Chinese historical soap opera with fantasy touches. If you like Zhang Yimou's films (Raise the Red Lattern, Farewell My Concubine, To Live, etc.), you'll love the psychological realism, the wounded Chinese fatalism, against the lush backdrop. And if you're into those Chinese/Taiwanese historical soap operas (Princess Pearl), you'll fall in love with this show hard. This is one of the most important, revolutionary shows ever done in the fantasy or shoujo genre.

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Hm.. then I should watch this series then..

I didn't watch this series because its animation looks really crappy.. but if so many people said the plot is awesome then it's worth a shot..

Last question.. is the last Ep of 12 Kingdoms still didn't end ?? How many manga vol. are there ? has the manga ended yet ?

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12K is actually a literary adaptation; it's based on a series of very popular teen fantasy novels (main character in show is only one of many in book series), which haven't been imported yet to the States. Because the source isn't manga, it doesn't really follow a shoujo template. But you can see the director trying to rearrange some elements to fit shoujo magical girl stylisms. The series is built on interconnected story arcs focusing on different people (but almost always around Yoko) Personally, I thought the direction was a little iffy for the first arc, but then the narrative moves beautifully afterwards.

I haven't finished the show, but 12K ends in midstream during one of the arcs. Something happened to the director, and they had to stop production.

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I didn't watch this series because its animation looks really crappy.


The production work picks up significantly after episode 12 or so. I'd say it's the best digital-cell production I've seen Studio Pierrot ever do. Which isn't saying that much. Wink Character designs by the same person who did Rahxephon. Really, this is the kind of show I'd rather have Madhouse do. They would have done better to animate the various beasts.

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I'd agree that Madhouse would be a good choice until I saw Tenjou Tenge. That lowered my respect for them A LOT.

GONZO are too wild to do it (even thought they're my favourite). Sunrise, maybe but I have issues with them on some of their work. BONES, perhaps, but they eventually got sloppy with Fullmetal Alchemist, so I can't truly endorse them either.

Ah well.
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Aesthetically, Bones is the perfect fit. You want to do a filmic Flying Daggers-meets-Red Lantern Zhang Yimou-ish production? You go to Bones. Guaranteed, there will be intermitten animated sequences that'll make little otaku cry at the total beauty. Yoko's face would be rich with nuanced expressions. A lot of the internal stuff (with the sword spirit) that goes on in the first arc is perfect for Bones's psuedo-music video treatment. But the studio hasn't proved yet they can do a lengthy show on budget or on time. They'll probably milk their entire budget on filming the flight over the ocean. And I'm sure we'll see at least 3 recaps after the first bloody arc.
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I'd agree that Madhouse would be a good choice until I saw Tenjou Tenge. That lowered my respect for them A LOT.

Yeah, but you see something like Madhouse's treatment of Captain Herlock: Space Oddysey Voyage, and appreciate how subtle and well-balanced the background artwork is done with the cell designs and how the CGI looks so seamless within the drawn artwork. It's the kind of craftsmanship that Pierrot simply cannot compete with.

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GONZO are too wild to do it (even thought they're my favourite).


Gonzo may have been the best fit, esp. with the current 12K director. Gonzo would be perfect in adapting the lush, Chinese backgrounds and architecture for CGI, and they would certainly do a better job with the animal designs. Gonzo's a little weak with the cell animation (it's a little disconcerting how little, but still superior to Pierrot's. And you can expect Gonzo's production values would be fairly constant throughout the entire series.

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