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sweetie (#35577)
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Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 4
explain .hack (spoilers) I have watched the show but what is going on? Quote: So is the kid a girl?(the wave master)what is the twilight key who is the floating cat why is everyone trying to find that kid. can he log off the game world thing?
I know it would help if i saw it from the start
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:13 am
Caddberry (#27690)
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When you have a question about a series you should post the thread in the appropriate folder.. I moved it there for you. If you are going to be discussing a series in detail you should also put a SPOILER warning in the title. That Stick can do for you since i moved it before i added the warning.. & Welcome to the forum.. ^_^
It would also help to know when you started watching the series. Like from what ep did you pick it up?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:39 am
Innotech (#34417)
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Spoilerz MAJOR HYPER HUGE SPOILER WARNING!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Depending on where you are in the series, the basic premise is this. Tsukasa, the little whiny idiot, is stuck in the World. Why he is there and who aura is, I will explain the best I understand it...
To begin, Tsukasa is unable to logout. This is because the game put his (actually HER, Tsukasa is a she) body into a coma offline, thus making it impossible to logout physically. The reason for this, is to hold Aura captive. Aura is a program designed by World creator Harold Hoerwick as a dedication to Emma Wielant. Harold created Morganna to awaken Aura and completely change THE WORLD. However, morganna got corrupted by unknown causes and decided instead to keep aura from waking up. Aura needs positive thoughts and actions to awaken, and Tsukasa, because of HER fathers abuse, and her coma state, is very negative and filled with hopelessness. This of course keeps morgannas plan going, and as long as Tsukasas thoughts exist in the World, Morganna retains its strength to keep Aura asleep. Kind of an odd story isnt it? Anyway, the monster that Tsukasa has is given to her in exchange for protection of morganna and Aura. Its obviously not legal to use and it is controlled by that shady cat character Maha, a creature Morganna herself created. the broken man you see is Harold Hoerwick's artificial essence, installed into the game to try to convince Morganna to awaken Aura, but obviously this al went to crap and his AI ends up broken down and uselessly trapped. At the very end, Helba helps to open the Twilight eye, which is some sort of hacked passageway to certain areas left behind by FRAGMENT, which is the worlds predecessor (sort of a betatest version). Tsukasa then gets positive thoughts (for once) and thus awakens aura finally, angering morganna, who turns Sora into Skieth for betraying her trust, and sends his data drained form after aura and Tsukasa. It ends up simply that Aura IS the Key of the twilight, or at least its suggested. the real truth is found in the games, and I believe I read somewhere that the real key is some sort of bracelet or book that aura guards.
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:14 am
hakkai (#25024)
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what's a skieth? and why Sora?
btw you did a great job explaining it.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:02 pm
Stick (#5576)
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did the edit on her post.
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:10 pm
hakkai (#25024)
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Stick (#5576) wrote: did the edit on her post.
huh? waht are you talking about?
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:25 pm
Caddberry (#27690)
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hakkai (#25024) wrote: Stick (#5576) wrote: did the edit on her post.
huh? waht are you talking about?
There was a spoiler that first post.. stick edited it because i forgot to.. It probably would be best to just throw a spoiler warning in the subject, but i think that post by innotech covered about everything except your questions hakkai which i dont remember for the life of me what happened..
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:09 am
MASTERKEYES (#37487)
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ok first of all skeith is a sort of like what helba is hacker only is a mindless form of the morganna beacuse morganna dosnet realy have a true form. and sora because he was once an apprecntice hacker(thus why he knows helba) and he betryed morgannan and she dosnet take betayl lightly.
btw pardon my spelling
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:04 am
MASTERKEYES (#37487)
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hakkai (#25024) wrote: "what's a skieth? and why Sora?"
btw you did a great job explaining it.
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:05 am
Caddberry (#27690)
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MASTERKEYES Please dont double post use the edit button to add extra information to your original post.
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:17 am
MASTERKEYES (#37487)
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ok sorry it was first time using forums hey every body make mistakes
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:01 am
Caddberry (#27690)
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MASTERKEYES (#37487) wrote: ok sorry it was first time using forums hey every body make mistakes
I wasnt yelling at you.. I said please.. I know you are new.. I was just letting you know.. your name is in all caps so i cut and pasted it that way..
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:34 am
Epitah (#40435)
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I just finished watching the whole thing from start to finish and was left thinking wtf. I really HATE it when anime's don't explain the bloody ending, they're about to fight skeith then all of a sudden tsukasa is in the real world and is meeting subaru (btw really annoying slow mo running scene)
What the!?
Why does every anime build this great story then finish it off with a half-ass ending!
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:07 am
Stick (#5576)
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i added a spoiler warning to the thread title
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:14 am
Falcone (#40803)
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Epitah (#40435) wrote: I just finished watching the whole thing from start to finish and was left thinking wtf. I really HATE it when anime's don't explain the bloody ending, they're about to fight skeith then all of a sudden tsukasa is in the real world and is meeting subaru (btw really annoying slow mo running scene)
What the!?
Why does every anime build this great story then finish it off with a half-ass ending!
Yeah I agree, did they ran out of budget to make the last episode?
Spoilers!!!U've been warned!!! wrote: I assume that Helba did something to Net Slum domain which killed Skeith and tsukasa wake up...
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:25 pm
Fryza (#49449)
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hakkai (#25024) wrote: what's a skieth? and why Sora?
btw you did a great job explaining it.
Though no one seems to browse this area, am I allowed to reply?
Okay, MASTERKEYES, Skeith is not like Helba. Helba is the character of a hacker. Skeith, on the other hand, is an AI character who has powers beyond what the game was created for. Mostly, the ability to put people into comas (Sora, being the first one). Skeith is the first Phase mentioned in Emma Wieland's/Wielant's "Epitapth of Twilight", and is created for the purpose of seeing human's reactions to death. Other characters generally mentioned with Skeith are Sieg, Kazu, and Orca.
Sora was chosen because he eventually formed a "pact" with Morganna, but helped Tsukasa, Aura, Mimiru, and Subaru escape Morganna. As punishment, Sora's data was used in helping create Phase One: Skeith and the crucifix-like weapon that Skeith holds. You see more of Skeith in .hack//Infection Part I for the PS2, as he is the final boss for Part One.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:02 am
Caddberry (#27690)
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Quote: Though no one seems to browse this area, am I allowed to reply?
o_O
Uh.. No one browses this area? A lot of people browse it they probably just dont know so they dont respond, and yes you can reply.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:48 am
Fryza (#49449)
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Caddberry (#27690) wrote: Quote: Though no one seems to browse this area, am I allowed to reply?
o_O
Uh.. No one browses this area? A lot of people browse it they probably just dont know so they dont respond, and yes you can reply.
That's what I meant, my bad. I have a habit of wording things wrong, sorry. It just seemed so dead, I figured no one cared about this section..
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:53 am
Danielle (\"Blue\") (#52881)
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Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 198
umm...im kinda dumb at time's , and i dont get one part in the show with Krim and BT, what was going on between them?
pleas tell me
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:01 pm
Maru Botan (#40395)
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Late post, but what the heck.
Half ass ending? you gotta be more perceptive when watching animes with this caliber.
Just a few moments after they met Skeith, they were all (including Tsukasa) forced logged out by Helba. The whole point of the story is about helping Tsukasa keep his sense of reality and finding a way to log her out. That done, I dont think you really need to know the obvious details when Tsukasa finally woke up in the hospital.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:15 pm
gosaimasu (#50743)
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This WAS a half-ass ending. dont try to make this anime better by saying "you gotta be more perceptive when watching animes with this caliber."
Are you implying that the ending of this anime was good? This ending leaves people hanging, and is unresolved. Questions such as, "Did Tsukasa go live with Bear? Did he meet Mimiru? Is "The World" still ok? WTF happened to Sora after the AI punished him? Why are none of the main characters in the ending?" are unresolved. All of the real-life questions are unanswered. To me it sounds as if you are trying to make yourself sound smart by implying that you understood and accepted the ending, while the rest of us didnt. There is no "caliber" for this ending. It sucked, it could have been a better ending, and thats all there is to it.
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:38 am
Caddberry (#27690)
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juan (#50743) wrote: This WAS a half-ass ending. dont try to make this anime better by saying "you gotta be more perceptive when watching animes with this caliber."
Well juan this is just an opinion, but you really have to be more perceptive when watching anime of this caliber.
Quote: Are you implying that the ending of this anime was good?
I was satisfied with it. I have come to terms with the fact that in anime not everything is tied up with a nice little bow and explained. Somethings are left to the imagination; however, there are a few more eps relating to the .hack story line that most people dont know about. They dont explain the ending anymore than the series did they are just kind of like extras.
Quote: This ending leaves people hanging, and is unresolved. Questions such as, "Did Tsukasa go live with Bear? Did he meet Mimiru? Is "The World" still ok? WTF happened to Sora after the AI punished him? Why are none of the main characters in the ending?" are unresolved. All of the real-life questions are unanswered.
They dont get specific about Bear living with Tsukasa, and they do leave some other things unanswered, but the point that air is making is that you can assume things. You shouldnt have to be spoon fed an ending. I havent seen this series in a LONG time so I cant quite recall specifics about it, but when I watched it I liked it, and it left me satisfied at the end. Apparently you missed something. I don't like anime with poor endings, but since I remember this one not getting on my nerves I'm pretty sure that there weren't that many holes in it.
Quote: To me it sounds as if you are trying to make yourself sound smart by implying that you understood and accepted the ending, while the rest of us didnt.
The rest of us? Speak for yourself. Air understood it, and from what I remember I did too. Are you sure you watched all the episodes?
Quote: There is no "caliber" for this ending. It sucked, it could have been a better ending, and thats all there is to it.
It could have been a better ending. It could have been a better series. It could have been a worse ending. It could have been a worse series.
What's your point? I liked it. It made sense to me. If it didnt make sense to you maybe someone can help you understand it. It has been to long since I watched it, so I cant answer questions like that, but it was a good series.
Well.. I liked it anyway..
Oh btw..
Welcome to the board. ^_^
btw dont take offense to that opening statement of this post I was joking.. ~_^
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:41 pm
ahp (#43308)
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Well, .hack//SIGN's ending did not answer all of the questions which were raised throughout the series.. Yet it still made a very good impression on me.
Well, one of the reasons which causes a lot of misunderstanding that there's more behind the anime as it is based on a game (a series iirc). Playing the games might answer quite a lot.
As there already is a spoiler warning..
Are you sure that Sora is turned into Skeith? As I can see it, Morgana tortures (or even kills) Sora, damaging him in also real life.
Ugh.. Isn't the real key the Bracelet of Twilight?
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:48 am
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I think Innotechs' explanation is good, but I found it easy to udnerstand on most levels. The first episode gives away 90% of the plot anyway, if you spot the subtle clues. The things that don't make sense end up being explained in hack//liminality. If you want to understand hack better, watch liminality. It makes a lot mroe sense than the series and is cruical to udnerstand the overall storyline and plot.
What made it hard for me to watch was Tsukasa. A protagnoist/hero is meant to have at elast a few redeeming features. Until the 24th episode, Tsukasa simply whines and acts selfish and arrogant. If it wasn't for Mimiru and Subaru I seriously wouldn't have watched it through.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:30 pm
LaVoS!5 (#44242)
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The question is... Can oneselft watch the Liminarity OVAs , Without having played the games , and still get a better understanding of the ://HACK word? I´m too lazy to get a copy of the games (all of them arent even available in my country , just the first 2), but I dont want to be left like this either, and start to watch Dusk without having understood SIGN a little bit better, because, yes, I DO believe the ending was a complete mess as well. Im so tired of good animes with filthy endings...
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:19 am
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Hopefully the manga is better. That's usually the case for animes with crappy endings.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:23 am
Thomas(akaTammo) (#57694)
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Tsukasa There is a thing about Tsukasa I am not sure so much Last Exile...
She tied hard at a few moments, and she did it ALTHOUGH she FELT pain, hunger, and all other things other players did not experienced. For me it WAS somehow redeeming her. Still - I found her very Shinji-like in episodes 13-18. Those were hard to watch - I wonder what got Subaru so interested in Tsukasa. Sho was attached to her more and more. Why was it? At first - of course - it was the monster and "unable to log out" cause. But later?
And a propos the ending: I say that it sucked a bit. Why? Like AHP said, there ARE unanswered questions. A LOT OF THEM. I cannot find the time to play those games, watched Liminality though - it explained sth but not everything. Lot parts of the story were NOT covered. There is no telling what happened to Sora, we can say he was a minor (his school plan on the wall). He suffered for sure - I was convinced he died. Since he could get off as the Knight, who was done by Tsukasa's Monster. Week or so and he will be ok again.
Do not get me wrong here. It sucked A BIT. I liked the meeting scene, was sure about leaving with Bear (they talked about it in the game already, one of the final eps, Tsukasa mentioned it, Bear said it's still valid she was happy), I also liked the way Sora changed sides. I did not find out if Mimiru got hooked up with them or not. There are other matters also unresolved so YES - I do agree it could be better (and should be better IMO).
About Hellba logging them out forcefully - I agree. Can anyone tell me HOW deeply Helba is involved in "The World"? I mean here- she is in both HackSigns I have seen and there is not explained how deep she was so. It is hinted at some places - but I am not relying on my memory here - after all I watched it long ago, and it WAS confusing.... so please - could someone tell a bit about that?
About explanations on Aura and Morgana. The creator (Harold) of the game - The World - was trying to put his daughter there - after an accident. Why did he out HIMSELF is not so clearly stated- from Liminality I rather got an impression he was more after some kind of immortality, then being her guardian and allowing her wake up. And Morganna - why creating Maha? Why so desperately confining Aura? Why hurting Tsukasa as she did?
The theory about Aura waking up and Tsukasa's negative feelings confinig them explains part of it - I agree. But one question reminds - who or what is Morgana exactly??
After all - why putting 3 AI in 1 program? No matter how complex it was?
Aura was definitely AI. Harold was one either. So why Morgana? She was not even needed there. And why put AI on guard of AI. The part about "right time" for Aura's awakening never got to me clearly either.
And one more plus on Tsukasa - she was the one who won over Maha - that was crucial in the fight with the monsters.
Hopefull for some explanations
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:52 pm
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Strange you mention Shinji. Tsukasa reminded me of Shinji a lot.
That why I can't stand Tsukasa.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:24 am
Thomas(akaTammo) (#57694)
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Mentioning Shinji ... I did mention him as a reason for which I started to dislike Tsukasa very strongly in those episodes. Shinji is on my hate list as number one. Tsukasa in eps 113-18 was very much like him...
PS. Last Exile- got my PM? About Chrno Crusade? What You gonna do?
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:55 am
SkyDragon (#96111)
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Epitah (#40435) wrote: Why does every anime build this great story then finish it off with a half-ass ending!
I sooo agree with you but not every anime. This show has a better plot than ending. I was hoping to see a final battle and I think the ending is too rushed, but atleast the music is still good.
Oh, I got a question. When Tsukasa came out of the hospital, she meet that girl in a wheel chair right? How does she know that is Subaru?
That was tooo random!
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:34 am
Nick (#102802)
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I thought it was mostly pretty good, the music was great in places, the animation was nice and mostly the characters were pretty good.
The main character however was incredibly dull, I've never cared so little about a lead character in all my life, he had absolutely /no/ personality, which is always going to really sway my opinion of something, a decent main character can make a huge difference, unforuntately this one sucked.
And don't even get me started on the bloody ending, what on earth was all that about? It must of been the lamest and cheesiest ending I've /ever/ seen!
Regarding, the OST, everyone seems to love it, and yes, for the first few episodes I genuinely believed it to be the best music I've ever seen in an anime, but it didn't take too long to realise that most of the songs being played were just recycled versions of a song in a previous episode, there only seems to be a few different tunes throughout the entire anime, just played in a slightly different way.
But on the whole I still enjoyed this a lot, and there were a lot of cool characters in this series, it's just a huge shame that the main one was such a letdown, really spoilt it for me.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:01 pm
animeghost (#110106)
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well i can see no one here can even notice that right after that the first game started and thus showing that that was not the real ending contuning it on duh how brainless can you get to not notice that.
i also have a friend who works with project .hack so i can most likeley figure things out if you want to know something but still think about the rest of the series as well when you are going to state that something is bad or not and understand it for what it is.
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:54 am
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SkyDragon (#96111) wrote: Epitah (#40435) wrote: Why does every anime build this great story then finish it off with a half-ass ending!
I sooo agree with you but not every anime. This show has a better plot than ending. I was hoping to see a final battle and I think the ending is too rushed, but atleast the music is still good.
Oh, I got a question. When Tsukasa came out of the hospital, she meet that girl in a wheel chair right? How does she know that is Subaru?
That was tooo random!
there in love and tsukasa has been explaiend by sabaru what she looks like in the real world.
ps i know for a fact that my first statment is true
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:57 am
Stick (#5576)
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animeghost (#110106) wrote: .... duh how brainless can you get to not notice that.
you make a double posted in a thread which was dead back in june and you call someone else brainless.
might I also add your posts made absolutely NO sense whatsoever. I'm not really sure how the videogame series was brought into a discussion about the merits of the anime.
Thread locked.
Read the rules and FAQ. If I see you bringing back dead threads without anything consisting of substance and coherence, i'll start giving you warnings.
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:08 am
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